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    Hello,

    Here is yet another thread about the colour for a Harley Davidson J or F model.

    As some of you know I have a 1920F and I got some paint last year mixed that should have been a good match but I was unhappy with the result, the shade was not quite right compared to the 2 good samples of original paint that I have.

    I did look at the paint recommended by Steve Slocombe which was "Seaweed" - ICI paint code 10C39/P420-0857. This colour was not a match to my bike, I am sure Steve has matched it to another bike for another year but its not a good match for my 20F.

    So earlier today I went to a different local paint store who stock MIPA paints. MIPA are a German company and are the biggest automotive paint supplier here in the UK and possibly Europe. I also believe that MIPA is available further afield in the USA, Australia and New Zealand.

    There were thousands of MIPA paint chips to go through and after about 10 minutes we found 2 shades that are a good match. They are:

    O-8-0020-3

    and

    O-8-0020-4

    (note the first figure is a letter O not a number zero)

    If you look at the picture they are the bottom two on the strip of paint chips.




    The chips were very glossy and my original paint was not glossy and the match depended on which part of my original paint that I compared it to but after a few minutes of deliberation both me and the guy in the paint shop decided O-8-0020-4 was a great match to my paint. However the difference between either of these 2 shades is so small that I believe that it wouldn't matter which one was used. However I have gone with O-8-0020-4. (note that the picture does not capture how close these 2 shades are to each other because that are glossy and at different angles to the camera and also under artificial light)

    So for reference for others out there doing these bikes I would recommend that either of these 2 shades is good for a 20F although I think that the one ending in 4 is the best but it is so marginal that I don’t think it matters.

    I will do a paint chip this weekend and post some more pictures of this colour and also Seaweed compared to my original paint.

    John
    Last edited by TechNoir; 02-25-2017 at 06:20 AM.

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    Dear John, my Seaweed was matched to an original paint Olive Green/Black 1934 VL export tank about 25 years ago. I still have about a pint left in the bottom of the can, and am happy to send out samples to AMCA members for the cost of the postage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Slocombe View Post
    Dear John, my Seaweed was matched to an original paint Olive Green/Black 1934 VL export tank about 25 years ago. I still have about a pint left in the bottom of the can, and am happy to send out samples to AMCA members for the cost of the postage.
    Hi Steve, thanks for the reply and yes I would like a sample of the paint if that is possible. You have my email so drop me line on how you want me to pay.

    The seaweed that I have seen is not the right colour compared to my bike. It would be interesting to see if the 1934 VL Olive Green is the same as the 1920J Olive Green or if over the intervening 14 years the colour had varied. I have some good pieces of original 1920 paint to compare it against.

    John

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    Just a thought here, but I work with Federal Standard colors, all day. You might consider ordering a Federal Standard color chip book, or color chip set, from the U.S. Government. They have a nice selection of greens in Gloss, Semi Gloss and Flat, that may fit the bill.

    Do a search, online, for Fed. Std. 595 Color Book, or Fed. Std. 595 Chip Set. Sounds crazy, but in 1920, there may have been a standardized color set, for manufacturers, and who better to set that standard than the USG?

    Just my two cents, but I hope it helps.

    Regards,
    Bob Vega
    AMCA 30550

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    Hi Bob, thanks for the suggestion, it is certainly food for thought.

    The problem is that the cheapest chip set is $135 and I am guessing that shipping to the UK plus import taxes will add another $100 and that’s with no guarantee that I will find a match

    However, I am in the USA in August so if I can find a paint supplier with a set of chips I might visit them and see if there is something that matches.

    John

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    Check out: http://www.fed-std-595.com/FS-595-Paint-Spec.html

    They have a pretty nice 595 color chart. Of course, monitor calibration is an issue, but you might find something close and be able to just purchase that chip.

    Hope this helps.

    Bob Vega
    AMCA 30550

    Quote Originally Posted by TechNoir View Post
    Hi Bob, thanks for the suggestion, it is certainly food for thought.

    The problem is that the cheapest chip set is $135 and I am guessing that shipping to the UK plus import taxes will add another $100 and that’s with no guarantee that I will find a match

    However, I am in the USA in August so if I can find a paint supplier with a set of chips I might visit them and see if there is something that matches.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diboblo View Post
    Check out: http://www.fed-std-595.com/FS-595-Paint-Spec.html

    They have a pretty nice 595 color chart. Of course, monitor calibration is an issue, but you might find something close and be able to just purchase that chip.

    Hope this helps.

    Bob Vega
    AMCA 30550
    Bob,

    I did see the online charts and there are certainly a few possible suspects. However I also know that the colours displayed by a monitor are not usually the ones that you will see in the actual paint.

    A single chip is $35 which also makes it a gamble because I would have to order several (I estimate a minimum of 6 to 10 chips that are similar colours). Also for my purposes I dont need to match to the Federal Standards although it would be nice for others to know if there is a Federal Standard paint that matches.

    John

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