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  1. #21
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    I for one would like some explanation ,if there is one, on why the two colors are so vastly different and yet both are Hollywood Green. I asked about paint and paint shades at a judging seminary a couple of years back at Wauseon. The answer was if it looked close it was good to go. To me that is not an acceptable answer, especially for a restored, repainted bike. Venetian Blue seems to be another one that varies widely. Since this is a major deduction in judging I feel the correct paint color should be know and possibly have a chip on hand. I know there are subtle variations and sunlight, angle etc. can affect the appearance but not to the degree that I have seen on some. I know it is an inexact thing but if I am going to restore a bike and go have it judged I want to know it is the right color and if judged against other of the same color that mine is correct and deviations are not and that my bike receives the appropriate score. I know others will say much a do about nothing but with all the focus on the minutest of details getting one of the most major ones right would be my priority.
    JMHO.

    Tom (Rollo) Hardy
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    Rollo!

    A modern paint cannot reflect light exactly the same as a vintage formula anyway. The science of spectroscopy is based upon that.

    And what if the judge you so dearly wish to please doesn't see the same number in the attached pic that you do?

    AMCA judging is artificial. In the long run, you may be happiest to opt out, and please yourself.

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    Tom,

    I have seen enough judging to know I don't want the brain damage that comes from it. I have some nice bikes but nothing that would qualify for judging anyway. I prefer to ride and enjoy them. Nothing against those that want to go through the time, effort and money to get them correct. What I do expect is that if I'm looking at a high points bike that it is in fact correct and is an example of how it left the factory. Frankly after looking at tons of pic post here and on other sites it seems almost none were left completely stock and original. Most seem to have some sort of "custom" additions. I prefer the as ridden or raced look but the is just my opinion. Too shiny isn't my thing but to each his own.

    Tom (Rollo) Hardy
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    Tom, if you don't like the sample I provided, contact Jay Hart, he has access to an original paint 1938 rear fender in Hollywood Green. 615 779 6140. He is also one, if not THE, best metal men I have ever had the pleasure of meeting AND he is REASONABLE. In the era before the war, HD got their paint from Dupont. You could get that years paint, any years prior to paint color, or any color Dupont offered, in Enamel or Lacquer. Additionally, HD would paint any desired graphic scheme on your bike or parts thereof, to yoir specific design, see attached special instructions in the order form and send them specific details of size and shape. Even more interesting, if you changed your mind, prior to shipping, HD would take the bike apart, repaint it, and simply charge you more money. I have the factory invoices on the youtube, hunting harleys, to show just this. One cannot argue with factory documentation. You cannot use modern paint with clear and get the same refraction and look. Judges seem to overlook this, usually. HOWEVER, you can order old paints and find those with skill to use them if you look hard enough.

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    Tom,

    I have seen enough judging to know I don't want the brain damage that comes from it. I have some nice bikes but nothing that would qualify for judging anyway. I prefer to ride and enjoy them. Nothing against those that want to go through the time, effort and money to get them correct. What I do expect is that if I'm looking at a high points bike that it is in fact correct and is an example of how it left the factory. Frankly after looking at tons of pic post here and on other sites it seems almost none were left completely stock and original. Most seem to have some sort of "custom" additions. I prefer the as ridden or raced look but the is just my opinion. Too shiny isn't my thing but to each his own.

    Tom (Rollo) Hardy
    AMCA #12766

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    Once again. Here is an original Paint, low mileage, Hollywood Green bike that was always garaged.

    Be sure to visit;
    http://www.vintageamericanmotorcycles.com/main.php
    Be sure to register at the site so you can see large images.
    Also be sure to visit http://www.caimag.com/forum/

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    Paint fades, you cannot use faded paint stored in bad conditions to re paint like new a restored machine and have a correct color paint. Paint also fades VERY differently to VERY different shades under different conditions. Someone who says they have the knowledge you profess to have Chris "should" know this. It is elementary dear Watson.

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    oh wait, how silly of me. It takes real life experience with real original paint machines, and more then one or two of them, to fully understand the variances of paint fade, especially with old lacquer and enamel paints. I'm sorry Chris, your forgiven, as we all know, you don't have that type of experience. But I do.

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    Here is another example of a non faded 1938 Hollywood Green, on, imagine this, a 1938 fender, and, imagine this, it is the same color as Greenie https://www.flickr.com/photos/341507...7649936627250/

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    I don't study paint, Folks,...

    But I suspect that if Chris's example was rubbed down with mayonaisse before a hot coat of Johnson's Wax, it would be hard to tell from Todd's in photos.

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    This is the NOS package truck fender I have. I don't know what color it is, I always thought it was Hollywood Green but I am not sure. It is factory paint though..
    First shot full sun, second is shade, third is the underside.





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