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    Mark!

    It took a while with a back-up WIN98 computer to get the site to accept it, but here is a photo of the system of tools that are required when a pump is badly damaged, or of a metal so "chilled" that only grinding will produce an accurate surface.

    The years of applying the standard burnisher, as shown at the far right, to modern aluminum pumps gave me a false sense of security on the earlier productions, and I deeply regret ever encouraging the use of a burnisher on an installed pump.

    Only on the bench, and with optical enhancement for inspection, can a quality seat be assured.

    The stones pictured have all been reduced in diameter to just clear the cap threads in the pump bodies.
    Piloted as shown on the far left, the top of the seat is taken down with a 90 degree stone, much as a motorvalve in a cylinderhead would be.
    The course and fine stones next to it are dressed to an arbitrary 60 degrees, as is the conical burnisher.

    The finish of the burnishers must be of a high luster to produce a perfect seal, and I found a few castings that blemished the ball immediately, for lack of malleability. Ordinarily, the ball remained effective for several pumps, and a polish would put them back into service.

    Further complications arose when original seats were not drilled concentric to the cap threads that I so diligently attempted to use for my pilots.
    It turns out that the sloppier the burnisher, the better.

    I have already lost enormous R&D energy on this problem,
    and have reaped mostly embarrassment.
    But I encourage anyone who sees the importance of this problem to pick up the ball and run with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kg993 View Post
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    Cotton, - I made one of your burnishing tools, as per your instruction. You're absolutely correct in that a loose thread fit between the cap screw and the 'jack' screw allows a concentric seating of the ball onto the seat. Unfortunately, the seat in my pump body needs to be ground down to good material, lapped and then burnished. I would like to make or purchase the piloted stones that you show in your pic. How, and from where did you acquire them? Did you turn the pilot shafts on your lathe, install the stones and dress them afterward? Also, I noticed that you are using a 60 degree seat angle. I guess the steeper angle allows more horizontal pressure against the ball. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated...
    Last edited by Bill Pedalino; 03-28-2012 at 04:48 PM.
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    Bill!

    The stones are common 1/4" shank, 1/2" diameter turned down with a diamond.
    60 degrees was arbitrary on my part.
    The pilot and driver for all is upon the cylindrical stone on the far left, which is the first to be applied.

    And I confess that I have made a piloted lap at the same angle as well, but forgot to get it into the photo. Its material proved too soft.

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    Cotton,

    If I read your photo and previous posts correctly, it looks like you use the cylindrical stone (on the left) to initially cut down (relieve) the top of the existing seat area, then the course 60 degree stone to remove the corroded material, then what appears to be the fine 60 degree stone for a finer ground finish. The fourth fixture looks like a 60 degree steel lapping mandrel followed by the burnishing tool. Am I seeing this correctly?

    As always, thanks for sharing this stuff (again).

    Bill
    Last edited by Bill Pedalino; 03-31-2012 at 07:17 AM.
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    Bill!

    Yes, basically.

    There are probably better abrasives that could be shaped, like "Kratex" or whatever such polishing tools are called, but I'm a little fatigued with oil pumps now, and the Schebler Wars have people extremely anxious with me on three continents.

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    Cotton,

    I found what appears to be a good source for the mounted abrasive points - Western Abrasives (Google search). I spoke with a very good technical guy who made some suggestions as to the best products for the old cast iron bodies. I ordered a couple of different types of material and I'll dress them down and see how each abrasive material works. Now all I need to do is get the cross shaft back and installed into my South Bend 9A so I can dress the stones, so I can grind the oil pump seat, so I can get the '47 fixed, so I can.....etc...etc...etc...
    Bill Pedalino
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