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01-13-2004, 10:56 PM
Just want to express my admiration for anyone that would attempt this ride as described in the winter Antique Motorcycle. Having dabbled with pre teen's for a number of years I am really impressed. These early bikes look simple but making them really function rather than being trailer queens or wall hangers really takes alot of work and persistance. My only regret is having to wait for the spring issue to get more of the story! I am really interested in hearing about the intake cage situtation. I don't see how this arrangement held up under prolonged hard use with the limited or non oiling of valve. It seems like the valve spring should fry in no time at all. Again, hats off to Bruce and Calvin.
01-14-2004, 07:22 AM
My admiration for the "ride" is surpassed only by my hatred of a company that refused to acknowledge the incredible dedication it took for such a venture, on one of their products nonetheless. Not one mention in any of their multitude of 100-year (99 year) yuppie propaganda, it makes me sick to even think about it. Have a nice day.
they don't care about old bikes they only want you to buy their t-shirts.and new $ 30,000.00 bikes. joe:mad:
01-15-2004, 01:26 AM
I agree also - It's really sad. On the upside. I did see Lonnie from Competition -Texas in one of the shots? I really liked the perspective that the story was written from also, great job!
From looking at the Harley-Ferguson annual report. It appears they would like you to buy new -and preferably finance your purchase with them also. Hummm....smart folks.
all kidding aside. I wonder if the marketing people were presented with a flexable package itinerary and tie-in promotional options? if they would have gone for it. I don't know what happened. I don't know all the facts. Maybe they were already - very busy?
I hear Bruce is coming out with an antique motorcycle exercise video. Titled: "Buns of Steel & Blisters". In the mean time maybe he has some more of those t-shirts for sale? Support your own!
01-15-2004, 03:37 AM
Congratulations Bruce and Calvin marvellous achievement and I know exactly how you must feel.
H.D. seem totally uninterested in their history and heritage as seven of us Kiwi's found out after shipping our bikes halfway round the world and riding close on 4000 miles from Vancouver in Canada to Milwaukee only to be told by the head of the publicity department that we were not in their target market.
To be fair this warrants a detailed explanation.
The seven of us riding bikes from 69 to 78 years of age arrived in Milwaukee on Saturday 23rd August and called round to Juneau Ave for an emotional, for us, arrival after 24 days on the road.
The following day we met with a H.D. motor company official, who shall remain nameless, who felt strongly that H.D. should use the fact that bikes of this age were still out there doing what they were intended to do even though they were as old as they were.
He supplied me with the direct dail number of the person in charge of publicity who I rang on Monday morning only to be told they weren't interested as we didn't fall into their target market.
To say I was shocked with this response is an understatement and as an avid Harley fan this really burst my bubble.
On the other side of the coin I must say the reception given to us along the way by the dealers was exceptional and the way they looked after us was magnificent.
The Blackhawk Chapter especially Wanda and her daughter also looked after us really well when we came down to Davenport on the Friday. Thanks everybody for making us so welcome.
Somehow I feel Harley has lost the plot and how they can totally ignore their past is beyond me.
My wife and I have come halfway round the world for two of their celebrations but I doubt very much that we will be back for a third after being treated like this, I think we'll find somewhere where we are wanted.
01-15-2004, 10:22 PM
Wow. Another sad report. But a great trip!
What are these people at H-F thinking? A good marketing person could easily spin this from lip service into positive brand building. Maybe they let some schmucks handle the 100th party? Ahhh...who knows.
Maybe the time will come when you can buy a used fat boy or full dress for under 10K. The desire will bottom out, and many people will just give it up. Ahhh....who knows.
Your report sure shows a divide between dealers and head office. Really sad.
Bruce and Calvin pulled a mighty incredible journey. I think they're great! I'm real thankful for the coverage in the club magazine.
01-15-2004, 11:49 PM
Do the folks at HD miss the boat sometimes? Certainly. We have a nice old fella that was a local Harley dealer for about 50 yrs, just turned 100 last year. A few people took it upon themselves to make mention of this to the folks at the motor company and they showed little or no interest. Why they would choose not to honor this man who lived and breathed Harley Davidson for half his lifetime is beyond me. Fortunately the AMCA will recognize Herb Yeske with a piece in the spring issue. We can't live in the past but we can remember it.
01-16-2004, 09:19 AM
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!!....Bunch of Corporate...Yuppie.....WannaB's.......Most probably never rode a 'REAL' Harley!! You'd never catch them riding around on an 'OLD' Flathead, Knuckle or Pan.... never mind a Ironhead, kickstart, Magneto fired XLCH!!...Adjust the valves every how many miles!?.... change the oil when!?.....Adjust the Clutch WHERE!?... WHAT!!??....Wouldn't know the open end of a combination wrench if you hit them over the head with it!! Their idea of a good day motorcycling is buying a latest in fashion leather jacket while waiting on their NEWEST AND BESTEST YET EVO's to get loaded onto a trailer to bring home to thier garage before it rains!!....Yeah...THEY'RE BAAADD!!...DAMNED PENCIL PUSHING.... 'CORPORATE H-D'/ T-SHIRT IMPORTING/NICK-NACK SELLING/ DOLLAR COUNTING/DESIGNER JEANS WEARING...(PROBABLY THE SAME B*****DS THAT BOUGHT OUT LEVI'S JEANS AND SENT ALL THE WORK OVERSEAS!!)....SONS A B****ES!!....HEY HARLEY...don't talk 'HERITAGE' to me unless you really know what it means!! That's my Damn Opinion!! Oh and by the way...what LAME-BRAIN came up with the LACK-LUSTER...CHEAP IMITATION...OVERALL BAD DESIGN '100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY LOGO'........My 3 year old Neice could have drawn them a better one with her Crayons!!) ....Hey Bruce and Calvin, don't mind it if the 'CORPORATE BIG WIGS' blew you off...I mean after all, WHAT THE HELL do they know about MOTORCYCLES anyway!!....:) ..Have A Nice Day!...Hrdly-Dangrs
Hey guys....different thought process....who blew who off??? Ever think that two true motorcycle enthusiast, having a passion for American Motorcycle History, from an engineering and riding point of view, DID NOT ALLOW CORPORATE AMERICA TO CAPITALIZE on their passion. I commend Bruce & Calvin for preparation, dedication, stamina, and prohibiting prosperity by anyone other than their own personal satisfaction of the accomplishment. Think about it...who blew who off...I think Bruce & Calvin are one up on them, by design
01-20-2004, 03:13 PM
Damn Hrdly, calm down. It's not like it's the best motorcycle out there, just one of the most expensive. Besides they are still learning how to build them, like bolting the tranny to the motor, you know like Indian did about 60 years ago. Maybe next will be four cams with more chains inside the motor, boy I can't wait to get one of them four cammers! It will be rated at a whopping 60 HP, you know just like my '65 panhead! That's it, I'm selling my Harley's and buying a Honda Goldwing.
01-20-2004, 03:38 PM
Sorry Louie, I guess I posted that one on the same day I read the article in the newspaper announcing Levi's closing of the last 2 U.S. plants!!!!.......B:eek: ST:rolleyes: RDS!!!....:cool: Hrdly-Dangrs
01-20-2004, 05:20 PM
Hey Hrdly (Geroge)
You may of been having a bad day, buy you are still right about that 100 YR logo. Ugh--Lee.
01-21-2004, 11:08 AM
It's interesting to see the passion some of our members have. Good for you! It would be nice if some people at HD would open a dialogue with club members or anyone for that matter in reference to their history. The new revelations about HD's early days are not earth-shattering but they are significant. I understand most decisions are made in the boardroom nowadays but there must be other alternatives.
HD, are you listening?
01-21-2004, 02:41 PM
Remember, these are the people that considers 1984 Evo's antiques at their ride in bike shows.
01-23-2004, 07:17 PM
Before you all set fire to your Harleys in disgust, consider that all the Company people may not all be knuckleheads of the type without two cylinders. Deeley imports, the exclusive Canadian distributor of HD have a museum of over 250 motorcycles of all makes open to the public for free, and you don't have to exit through the giftshop, because there isn't one. Also, Harley Davidson have a large collection of their own products which they are planning a museum for, and regularly cart them around the country for the enjoyment of the public.
Those of you who were at Davenport a couple of years ago may remember seeing AMCA members Scott Hall and Bud Redmond clowning around with their hillbilly style Hudson stake truck with a couple of rusty old Harleys in the back. They were "talent scouted" by Willy G., who hired them to appear at various centennial functions, including giving rides to surviving HD family members.
The big problem as I see it was that Bruce, Calvin, and Tommo's group needed their own "publicity agent". My regret is that the AMCA was asleep at the switch, as we could have provided that.
I have no axe to grind on this one, as I have three Indians, and only one Harley.
01-23-2004, 08:06 PM
having worked in a harley service department for 10 years,its easy to get past all this harley "mystique". 100 years is a great accomplishment,and i love harleys,and still own quite a few and spend more money on harleys and parts than i want to admit.but the more harley riders i meet and the more newer bikes i actually ride and work on,the more i realize that they are not anywhere near state of the art,and never were.its all about the harley / biker lifestyle crap ,although alot of riders ride for the sake of the ride,alot ride to pose as most of you know. you know i also own a ford pickup, but i dont have ford tatooed on my arm and i dont own one ford t shirt,and have never been to a ford rally,if they even exist. its true the factory hasn't got a clue,just look at the new dyna glides,but their target audience is the wannabe ,bandanna/leather jacket/removable tattoo yuppies .heck the dealership in my town doesn't even have actual motorcycles in it, but you can buy baby diapers with little panheads on them. i guess i dont have much of a piont here,but wanted my 2 cents worth,as this is valid subject matter.and when i spoke to bruce a davenport,i just wished it could have been me. instead i celebrated harleys 100th,and went down and bought a brand new BMW.
01-23-2004, 08:26 PM
Aw shucks Pete.....Now you went ahead and made me feel bad.....well ok, I'll give H-D the benefit of doubt. I guess H-D just overlooked their, (Bruce and Calvins') admireable feat because of all the other 1905 H-D motorcycles that were going to ride 500 miles to their EVO Celebration!! Ha Ha!...;) :cool: Hrdly-Dangrs
01-24-2004, 01:12 PM
Consider this.... how many people work in the Harley Davidson Archives? How many requests do they get on a daily basis? from outside sources? How many internal questions do they field on a daily basis? If the Archives were open to any legitimate person who wanted to paw through everything, (or crackpot for that matter), what time would that consume? That's like saying the Smithsonian wouldn't let me in to fondle Lindberg's flight plan, because I wanted too! I do believe there will be a time when the history will displayed for the public and I feel Harley-Davidson is committed to this Concept. Because they didn't recognize one event that was created by an individual who is not associated with the Motor company is not really grounds for condeming them. If you actually did attend the 100th (as I did) and are merely not criticizing it based on heresay, you would probably agree that Harley-Davidson had a pretty full plate to deal with as it was. Things most certainly were left out, but all in all it was a better 100th than Indian had. FatDog
01-24-2004, 02:04 PM
Sorry FatDog, but like most H-D (H.O.G.) events today, just too many YUPS!, RUBS! Hell I get enough crap from the FASHION MATCHING FRINGE LEATHER POSERS waiting on their LATEST/BESTEST EVOs to get their oil changed at the local H-D Show Palace..... Boy oh boy, I must think who-I-am to show up with my old kickstart XLCH 'Sporty'!! "YOU SHOULD TRADE THAT IN FOR A FULL SIZE HARLEY" says the NEWEST Best Dressed BIG BIKER among the group of '100 Year' Classic H-D Owners!! (TRUE STORY)....God (VISA-MASTERCARD) help them if their electric push button doesn't work!! Last time I had to go to H-D Palace was for a front fork tube seal. The Taiwan made fork seal lasted all of 1 day before it leaked worse then the old dried out original H-D seal that I replaced it with!! Nope, far as I'm concerned, H-D ought to spend more time on finding American Companys to replace their "Taiwian Made' products!! HEY H-D....BRING THE WORK BACK TO AMERICA....PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!....WHO THE HELL CARES HOW THEY DO IT OVERSEAS!!....WE NEED WORK....MAKE YOUR NEW SLOGAN "100% AMERICAN MADE"!! HELL, IF YOU GET STARTED TODAY, YOU MIGHT ACHIEVE IT BY YOUR REAL 100th BIRTHDAY........;) :cool: Hrdly-Dangrs
01-25-2004, 06:16 PM
Hi there Pete and others,
Harley knew about our tour in 1998 and I had been in regular contact with certain heads of departments with regard to our tour from early in 1997 and right up until just days before we left New Zealand.
One of the things that hurt the most was that our group booked beds for 200 in a major Milwaukee downtown hotel in August 1998 so we could be sure of our accommodation and be in walking distance of the lakefront events.
Somewhere in early to mid 2002 Harley went to this hotel to make bookings and found some yokels from down under had beaten them to it.
The long and the short of it is that they exerted their corporate pressure on this hotel and succeeded in getting our reservations cancelled and effectively putting us out on the street and it was only because we had booked a second hotel about 20 minutes north of downtown as a back-up that we were not in serious trouble.
The hotel apoligised profusely but honestly admitted to us that Harley spent a lot of dollars with them and they couldn't afford to upset them.
As of June 2002 my wife and I produced a monthly newsletter with regard to this tour and copies of this were sent monthly to the N.Z. Harley distributor in Australia and to contacts at the factory so they knew exactly what we had planned.
Deeleys in Vancouver put on an excellent reception for us and one of the members of the board of Harley was present at this function and was so impressed with what we were doing he assured us he would be making the full board of directors aware of the details of our trip.
The point I'm making here is to say that H.D. weren't aware of what we were doing is not correct and even if they didn't know, it seems strange that we generated enough publicity on the way across America to make our Prime Minister back here in N.Z. aware of what was happening and to instruct the N.Z. Ambassador in Washington to go down to our hotel in Milwaukee and to congratulate us on the exposure we were generating for N.Z. He put on a real good evening for us.
Don't get me wrong I'm still going to be a Harley owner (currently own 30 plus Harleys) but I do really think Harley were more concerned as to how big the M.D.A. check was going to be at the end of the festivities than they were with the people and bikes that had got them to being able to celebrate a milestone like this.
Jennifer and I were at the 95th and other than the parade on Saturday that event was a thousand times better than the 100th and I think a very homemade banner across the interstate south on sunday morning said it all.
THANK'S FOR COMING
SORRY ABOUT ELTON.
Where was Springsteen singing Born in the U.S.A.
01-25-2004, 07:32 PM
Hey Tommo, sorry to hear that you guys were inconvenienced to such an extent!! Damned Corporate types are all alike!! This is the same tripe thats been going on with Harley since back to the so called Outlaw Biker image of the sixties!! H-D Big-Wigs only care about the bottom line....MONEY, same as any other big corporation!! Yes there are some individual Dealers that reflect the 'Old School' values of business and motorcycling and cater to us 'Old Timers' with equal enthusiasm...for the love of the Sport of Motorcycling and the Harley-Davidson motorcycle itself. Otherwise Harley the Company is just about EVOs and RUBS and YUPS....It is simply just another NEW VEHICLE MANUFACTURER...PERIOD!! They may be beating on their chests about the volumes of great OLD 'Heritage'... but they're not adding any NEW pages to it by pulling crap like this!!...:mad: ....Hrdly-Dangrs ......Oh by the way...I'm from New Jersey and Bruce Springsteen STINKS!! He left for California!! Ha! Ha!.....Real New Jersey Rockers listen to Allman Bros, The Who, Stones, Led Zep, Ramones, AC/DC, Ozzie...right on down the line!!!!
01-25-2004, 08:04 PM
Remember....you meet the nicest people on a Honda......
01-25-2004, 08:09 PM
No Thanks!!....Make mine a Harley.....just keep all that phoney PR stuff out of the mix!!....:cool: ...Hrdly-Dangrs
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