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HarleyCreation
07-06-2003, 12:22 PM
I’m the author of a new book: At the Creation: Myth, Reality, and the Origin of the Harley-Davidson Motorcycle, 1901-1909.

This work contains a radical new interpretation of the beginnings of the Harley-Davidson motorcycle. It reveals in step-by-step fashion how the true story got messed up by the antics of early Harley advertising guys. A mess that began in 1908 and puzzled even old gents like William H. Davidson (1905-1992), Motor Company president for almost 30 years! You can read more about the book at:
http://www.atthecreation.com/

The book is being printed now and will be available in August. It’s a limited edition from the bucks-strapped Wisconsin Historical Society and I don’t know if there will be any more.

I’ve written other books about Harley-Davidson, but this one is different. It’s not only the exciting tale of Harley-Davidson’s formative years and upstart rival to Indian, but also a detective story that blows off the doors of what we grew up believing was true about Harley’s beginnings. Stuff that I formerly believed was gospel turned out to be “myth.” What’s amazing is that nobody pulled these threads together before to expose this bogus history. As a result this same false information is still circulating today and widely believed even as Harley-Davidson, Inc. gets ready to celebrate its “100 Year” anniversary in 2003. I guarantee this book will be an eye-opener for them too!

There is also a debt I’d like to acknowledge to several club members who had critical input to this work. Without them this book could not have been written. Combined with my own research, their knowledge and support helped create something that I believe to be unique in motorcycle literature.

One member provided a long lost Motor Company document that blew open the hidden truth about what Harley-Davidson really built in the years 1903 and 1904.

Another club member saw key features that verified in a 1912 photo (Negative 599) the first prototype Harley-Davidson motorcycle. He traveled to get important court records and also discovered a new photo that dates to 29 April 1905 and today is the earliest photograph of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle yet discovered (if you know of an older photo than this, please tell!)

A third member brought to my attention the almost certain connection between Ole Evinrude’s single-cylinder engine of 1903 and Bill Harley’s first 25-ci engine of 1904. He also provided key information concerning model year differences found on early Harley-Davidson motorcycles still in existence today -- critical stuff when you consider some of the extravagant claims being made.

Still other club members allowed me access to their early motorcycle publications and research files, or else dug through them and provided additional information by phone and by mail. They also put me in touch with other club members and sometimes even put me up for the night during my gypsy wanderings to find new information over the past 15 years -- all done by motorcycle. I sincerely thank them all.

I don’t know if it will happen, but it would be great to continue the story from 1910 to around 1918 as the American motorcycle industry heated up to fever pitch with so many wonderful makes battling for survival in the marketplace and on the race-track. Sadly, most of these brands were just brief flashes on the horizon and then they were gone. Yet they all helped lay the foundation that Indian, Harley-Davidson, and Excelsior carried on and that Harley-Davidson still carries on today with the traditional air-cooled 45-degree American V-twin engine. Thankfully there is also the Antique Motorcycle Club of America to help preserve that history and protect the integrity of that great tradition.

I added a link to the AMCA on my book's webpage.

Thanks,
Herbert Wagner
http://www.atthecreation.com/

k.perry
07-07-2003, 02:05 PM
Ordered mine today. Write more books.

Jim M
07-07-2003, 05:01 PM
Looks like a very interesting book on a subject a lot of us here have a vested interest in. I, like Kirk, will likely order one also. I look forward to celebrating the 100th next year, just me, the knucklehead and a bottle of root beer in the workshop. I think I will spend Labor Day in Davenport. The web site info was interesting. I just wonder how Harley Davidson corporate would view this book? When confronted with documentation are they refuting the information or are they just as interested as we are? Curious how they view this book.

Jim M.
Tulsa Ok
46 knuckle

HarleyCreation
07-09-2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by k.perry
Ordered mine today. Write more books.

Thanks.

I like the idea of taking on about a decade at a time. I already have 1930-41 VL/EL story covered in a previous book, and now the 1901-1909 time frame. Other periods that really interest me are 1910-1918; 1919-1929 (including how the Peashooter and Two-Cam morphed into that pre-Knucklehead Two-Cam/OHV); and from WWII thru the Knucklehead/Panhead transition up into the 50s. I have some great interviews from old factory guys who told everything. Doubt if I'll accomplish that much...

HarleyCreation
07-09-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Jim M The web site info was interesting. I just wonder how Harley Davidson corporate would view this book? When confronted with documentation are they refuting the information or are they just as interested as we are? Curious how they view this book.

Jim M.
Tulsa Ok
46 knuckle [/B]

THAT is the big unknown question. Nobody at H-D has read it yet, just portions of the complete mind-blowing story. But At the Creation is Harley-Davidson's very own early history. It truely belongs to them and the living Harleys and the living Davidsons. I was just the vessel through which the information revealed itself. Early on in the process (around 2000) I hoped that I could work closely with the company on this project and merge their findings and mine seamlessly together. (I had a total plan). But it didn't work out that way -- although I fought hard for it and failed.

But like somebody inside H-D recently told me, it couldn't have been done inside the company. It had to be done by an outsider. That is probably true, although it still saddens me because it's THEIR history and not mine that I now hold in trust. I was punished for being a heretic, and yet they helped me too. Also, HDI (the modern company) did grant permission at the very last munute to use the critical Negative 599 image and I take that to be a hopeful sign.

For me, it came down to writing the most truthful and honest account of H-D's early history based on the best available evidence. That included charting and exposing the early advertising hype and myth that later became accepted as true history. It was an agonizing yet wildly exciting process of discovery. It turned out that Harley's early years contained a much more interesting story than anyone dreamed of. Yet exactly what you'd expect from a rowdy motorcycle company trying to make a name for itself challenging the Big Boy on the block: Indian.

This was a historical detective process figuring it all out. By luck and chance and good friends, critical evidence turned up exactly when it was needed most. Like Arthur Davidson said: "It just growed." Little by little I realized maybe there was a potential book about Harley's amazing and rather crazy origin (good crazy that is). Then I had to find the right publisher...not an easy task.

There are many dedicated and intelligent people working for Harley-Davidson today. I think once they read this thing they will see the big picture and how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together. It also charts the way ahead for them in 2004, 2005, etc. In that respect I did them a favor.

Knuckleheads Forever!
HW

B. Rodencal
07-09-2003, 04:03 PM
Herbert,
I can't wait to read the new book. I happen to be lucky enough to be friends with several of the remaining Harley folks you wrote about in your 30-41' book, (Erwin 'Erv' Martin- drives a Turbo yellow Dodge Stealth in his late 80's!, Herbert Nieman-91 still running wrecker calls! Thelma Fischer still makes it to church on sundays!) I've had most of them autograph their pictues in the book and can't wait until you can someday do the same for me! Thanks For the great reads! Bill Rodencal Wis. Rapids.

HarleyCreation
07-11-2003, 01:04 PM
Bill,

Thanks for the kind words. There is alot in that 1930-41 book that was saved just in time. I'm glad to hear some of the old timers around the Rapids are still going strong.

If memory serves me correctly, there were six 1936 Knuckleheads sold in the Rapids that year. The dealer there, Don Fischer, must have thought there was something to that new model. If so, he was right!

Your message inspires me to stop in the Rapids again this summer on my way down or back to Milwaukee for a little more research. The early Knucklehead era continues to fascinate me. The rusty 1936EL chassis I had for years came out of the area.

HW

B. Rodencal
07-11-2003, 06:06 PM
A few weeks ago the local group assembled around 25 knucks from town for a reunion and group photo of sorts. I am waiting for copies! This town of 18,000 I believe has more Knucks per capita than any other town on Earth! If you pass through town be sure to tip me off ahead of time and we can make sure you get fed and toss back a few pints as well as a roof over your head if you need one. Bill Rodencal

HarleyCreation
07-13-2003, 12:43 PM
Is that the group known as the "Knucklehead Company"?

How many 1936-1939 model ELs were present? A few I hope. That sure was good-looking bike.

Bill, watch out, I might take you up on that offer!

HarleyCreation
07-16-2003, 05:13 PM
Club members (and others) in the Milwaukee area might be interested in a talk I'm giving about Harley-Davidson and a preview of the new book this coming Sunday (20 July 2003), at 2 pm. The location is at the Milwaukee County Historical Society, 910 N. Old World Third, in downtown Milwaukee.

Admission free.

It marks the opening of an exhibit of some vintage Harley-Davidsons that will be on display thru September, entitled: "Workhorses of Commerce, Harley-Davidson Delivery Vehicles." Bikes on display will include:

1962 Model AH Topper and Model LA Sidecar;
1941 Model FL with 1941 Model M Package Truck;
1939 Model G Servi-Car,
1930 Model VL with 1928 Model MC Package Truck.

Hope you can make it!

HW

Earl
07-19-2003, 07:35 PM
Hi Herbert,

I live in Ohio, so I won't be able to make it to Milwaukee on Sunday for your talk. One of these days though I look forward to meeting you in person. I've corresponded with you ever since I saw one of your articles in the "American Rider" magazine. Since that time you and I have shared our thoughts and ideas, as the old evidence came to light. You're right, as the facts were discovered, our concept of history's actual events went through a process of analysis that has concluded with the content of the new book......"At The Creation".

Probably almost as exciting as being there, was the time I discovered the earliest known picture of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle..........or the information I uncovered in the court case in the National Archives.

Those were pretty exciting days.........emails flying back and forth a dozen times a day.......questioning each other's thoughts and offering ideas.......

So after you go to Milwaukee in August for the 100th(99th model year), I hope you consider coming down to the Antique Meet in Davenport.......

and to quote the author of the previous posting.....

"Hope you can make it!"

We'd all like to meet you !!!!!

(My alias is Earl, but my real name is Rick Morsher)

AdminGuy
07-21-2003, 11:44 AM
I agree! That would be great. Bring a stack of books to Dav. meet. Book a vendor space. Signed copies. Maybe even set you up with a little talk one afternoon after a tech session or something. I think alot of guys would really enjoy that. It would be fun to hear some of your stories.

LouieMCman
07-21-2003, 01:58 PM
Herbert;
Can't wait to read the book. I'm going to email you a picture of my new 99th Anniversary bike. I get numerous questions about why I put "99th Anniversary" on the windshield and I tell them to do the math...it's either a 101st or a 99th edition ??? Either way Harley can't count. Thanks for the true story!
Louie

HarleyCreation
07-31-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Earl
Hi Herbert,

I live in Ohio, so I won't be able to make it to Milwaukee on Sunday for your talk. One of these days though I look forward to meeting you in person. I've corresponded with you ever since I saw one of your articles in the "American Rider" magazine. Since that time you and I have shared our thoughts and ideas, as the old evidence came to light. You're right, as the facts were discovered, our concept of history's actual events went through a process of analysis that has concluded with the content of the new book......"At The Creation".

Probably almost as exciting as being there, was the time I discovered the earliest known picture of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle..........or the information I uncovered in the court case in the National Archives.

Those were pretty exciting days.........emails flying back and forth a dozen times a day.......questioning each other's thoughts and offering ideas.......

So after you go to Milwaukee in August for the 100th(99th model year), I hope you consider coming down to the Antique Meet in Davenport.......

and to quote the author of the previous posting.....

"Hope you can make it!"

We'd all like to meet you !!!!!

(My alias is Earl, but my real name is Rick Morsher)

Earl,

Those were some nice things you said and I agree with you. Without the findings you made of the oldest known Harley-Davidson photo (29 April 1905) and the court case material that is beyond dispute, some of the mysteries would not have been answered nor the fakes exposed. I thank you again for your help. Those were indeed exciting days of discovery and had to be followed to their logical conclusion no matter what the consequence in order to uncover the Truth. That our hunt for the facts threatened old established myths was inevitable and a good thing for everyone who REALLY loves Harley-Davidson. It's all in the new book. Well, mostly. Hopefully new discoveries will be made to fill in the remaining blanks.

As to Davenport, I am thinking of leaving Milwaukee early and going this year. On Thursday I hope to be on Juneau Avenue outside the Harley-Davidson Red Brick Factory where some new history promises to be made. Then Friday I think I'll saddle up and ride to Davenport, camp out that night north of town in the "wilds" around the Wasippicon River, then come to the AMCA meet for Saturday. I'll be riding my BMW and wearing a "scribble twin" tee-shirt.

HW

HarleyCreation
07-31-2003, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by AdminGuy
I agree! That would be great. Bring a stack of books to Dav. meet. Book a vendor space. Signed copies. Maybe even set you up with a little talk one afternoon after a tech session or something. I think alot of guys would really enjoy that. It would be fun to hear some of your stories.

Since I'll be on my bike I might bring a few. But I'm really not much of a vendor. I should be. I hope to meet you guys, yes...

HarleyCreation
07-31-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by LouieMCman
Herbert;
Can't wait to read the book. I'm going to email you a picture of my new 99th Anniversary bike. I get numerous questions about why I put "99th Anniversary" on the windshield and I tell them to do the math...it's either a 101st or a 99th edition ??? Either way Harley can't count. Thanks for the true story!
Louie

Thanks. 99th Anniversary is really the truth and I'd like to see your bike.

By my reckoning the actual 100th Anniversary (based on the known evidence at this time) will take place on 9 September 2004. That's when the Harley-Davidson motorcycle (25-ci big-bore, loop-frame bike) enters the historical record at a motorcycle race held at State Fair Park at West Allis near Milwaukee. If ANYONE can show it existing at an earlier date, I'ld love to see the evidence. Production and sale of bikes didn't start until 1905.

Of course, since Bill Harley first drew plans for a (7-ci) "bicycle motor" in 1901, Harley-Davidson could have picked any year to celebrate between 2001 and 2007 (when the company formally incorporated). But when you consider that it was the 1954 Models that bore the 50th Anniversary Medallion (probably based on the 1904 loop-frame Meyer-Sparough-Lang-Neg 599 bike prototype), it strongly suggests there was no 1903 Model as claimed today with the BIGGER LIE that Mr. Lang was already a dealer and selling bikes in 1903.

The book reveals all.....mostly.

http://www.atthecreation.com/

HarleyCreation
07-31-2003, 01:19 PM
For those who didn't make the talk at the Milwaukee County Historical Society, I've posted the contents of my talk on the book website (below).

The crowd was modest and the gathering intimate. It was nice to have those vintage bikes nearby and the Usinger cheese and sausage platter was tasty, although I couldn't "hog" out like I normally would have given the opportunity. I requested beer, but ice tea was served instead. That's ''new" vs. "old" Milwaukee for you...

A club member who is also our Perry E. Mack expert came on his bike. That was nice. My brother Tom who owns "Frank's Knucklehead" (never leaked or needed a battery charge) also came. There were also a few old timers who showed up, including Adolph Roemer who owned the 1938 "Wrong Way Corrigen" Knucklehead before WWII. Mr. Roemer and his bike are pictured in my 1930-1941 book as is his very beautiful wife.

Behind that hangs a story. For years I had been interested in Max Kobs who worked at Harley-Davidson beginning in 1907 or early 1908 and who had the ONLY 1909 Harley-Davidson V-twin registered in Wisconsin. But I never could find out anything about Kobs. He died way back in the 1920s on a sidecar -- hit by a drunken farmer north of Milwaukee. Then one day several years ago, I looked up Mr. Roemer because he owned a 30s Knucklehead and he mentioned in passing that his late wife had been a Kobs. I was thunderstruck. "Max Kobs?" I said. After years of wondering, suddenly I found out about Max Kobs, but unfortunately no photo of that 1909 V-twin. That did, however, turn up that inside view of the yellow brick factory as seen in the book and on the webpage.

http://www.atthecreation.com/

AdminGuy
07-31-2003, 06:07 PM
Very nice. Thank-you. A good read.

HarleyCreation
08-06-2003, 02:20 PM
For you guys interested in the new book, I am told that it has been shipped to the warehouse in Chicago and should be going out very soon.

I wonder if HDI is going to buy up all the copies and burn them?

http://www.atthecreation.com/

k.perry
08-06-2003, 05:57 PM
They ought to give you a new Twin Cam for taking the time to straighten out the kinks in their history.

Earl
08-07-2003, 05:23 AM
And now they (HDI) have the reasons to dub the 2004 bikes as their 100th model !!

Earl
08-07-2003, 04:44 PM
Maybe everybody/somebody can throw a comment in here about how many books Herbert should bring to Davenport.

Jim M
08-07-2003, 05:47 PM
Earl, That is a great idea. Count me in.. I much prefer to pick things up personally than to order them. If there will be any books available at Davenport let us know what location at the fairgrounds to look for.

Jim M.

46 Knuckle

33vld
08-09-2003, 06:43 AM
I just finished reading your new book Herb and I am impressed.
If your book a doesn't convince the people at Harley-Davdison
that the first year of production was 1905 nothing will. I can only imagine the countless hours you have spent researching this book.

What a great read!

Dick Werner

HarleyCreation
08-10-2003, 01:59 PM
Dick,

Thank you very much. If you got your copy, that means they have begun shipping them out. I just got my advance copy in the mail yesterday.

It's true what you say: Harley's early years are now revamped to fit the facts and not fairy tales. It is no ones fault today that things got messed up at an early date and a creation myth instead of real history was adopted. Ignoring the facts after this, however, would be a shame.

Yes, it took a lot of digging and years of work to bring this material together and make sense out of it. My only wish is that people who read the book understand that the entire effort was to uncover the truth about the greatest of all motorcycles: Harley-Davidson. It's giving Harley-Davidson a history never known before.

I have seen an early review of the book by a well-known authority and it is VERY POSITIVE.

I will try to get some copies to Davenport, but if doesn't happen for some reason, I still hope to meet you guys there.

HW

k.perry
08-17-2003, 08:42 AM
Who's your bootmaker? That first pair you had...with the engineer strap? There has to be a story there.

HarleyCreation
08-19-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by k.perry
Who's your bootmaker? That first pair you had...with the engineer strap? There has to be a story there.

You must be looking at the preface of the book, where there is a couple pictures of my old bikes -- including my long lost yellow chopper.

Believe it or not, the boots you spotted are Herter's snake boots.

Remember Herter's? The big sporting goods outfit in Waseca, Minnesota? Everything they sold was advertised as being the best and most perfect! Actually, their snake boots made darn good motorcycle riding boots. Very thick high quality brown leather. A pal of mine got a pair first and I liked his so much that I bought a pair too. I went thru 3 pair of them over the years and still own the last pair. I still have a 1973 Herter's catalog. They are: "Herter's Genuine Hudson Bay Six Point Pull On Wilderness Boots, Excellent Protection Against Poisonous Reptiles. If you can pay the price, this boot cannot be beat for guides, fishermen, trappers, lumbermen, engineers, foresters, etc., or for horseback riding. Height: 17" Pattern: French Canadian dress shoe hand cut and fitted over handmade hard maple patterns and hand sewn. Leather: Finest procurable bull hides tanned using deer skin method. Color: Dark brown. Price: $33.47"

More recently I have found that the army surplus East German officers' boot make excellent riding boots too with a traditional look.

k.perry
08-19-2003, 05:25 PM
Thanks for the tip on the east German officers boots...but we're sort of looking for the Herter's Wilderness boots. (known hereafter as "Wagner" boots). Any chance those are still made?
I've about finished the "Creation" book. A lot of research there, piecing together all the conversations and hunting through old Milwaukee records and people. The "missing link". Thanks.
I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the first "big" Harley motor was most probably built from a set of nameless re-pop crankcases, possibly from the Clemick-Evinrude Co. around the corner and down the block. You state, "Some unique features found in the 1903 Evinrude engine also show up in the earliest known Harley-Davidson engines. These points of similarity include a distinctive 45-degree down-slanted exhaust port. This style exhaust differs from both the De Dion-Bouton original and its many American off-shoots." and that, "Other points of similarity between the Evinrude and Harley engines include the sharing of a distinctive roller-bearing valve tappet and a drilled flywheel and crankpin that routed lubricating oil to the connecting rod bearing. More signs of a shared ancestry include a pressed-in crankpin, one piece head and cylinder, a two-piece exhaust valve with steel stem and cast iron valve head, and perhaps most indicative of all, a hand starting crank on the engine's timer side. This last piece is an unusual feature for an early motorcycle, but necessary on Evinrude motors meant for auto or marine use."
The final word of proof for me is, "It seems unreasonable to expect Bill Harley, now (in 1903) a freshman in college, to design an entire gasoline engine from scratch no matter how talented he may have been."
Suddenly, the aftermarket has taken on a new respect. The story today is behind the door of Tedd Cycle. Taiwan, being once like Japan. In the 50's Japan was a junk peddler. "Made in Japan" was a joke. Piston's from Taiwan? V-Twin's been selling them at least since 1993. It would be nice to one day read about all they went through to perfect the lower valve spring covers (http://www.hydra-glide.net) >pictures>miscellaneous, but my inquiries to find out more were politely answered with "Those would be kept as quiet as military secrets" and I was left with a feeling that for all intents and purpose's Tedd Cycle will always be what the labor unions would call,"a closed shop".

HarleyCreation
08-21-2003, 11:58 AM
Glad you're enjoying the book. http://www.atthecreation.com/

Yes, it took YEARS to gather and put the information together. It was a strange coincidence that it was finished at the time of the 100th celebration -- although as it turns out there probably was no "1903 model." Yet all the twists and turns in getting their motorcycle off the ground makes the Harley-Davidson story an even better one than anyone ever dreamed.

Yes, the boys got a little help from their friends: esp. Henry Melk and Ole Evinrude. What is still missing is all the engine types that Ole offered in 1902 and 1903. Several are mentioned in old periodicals, but I have not seen specific information on all types. No 1902-1903 Evinrude catalogs have turned up yet that might describe all his engines in detail, size, air- or water-cooled, etc. Possibly there was an Evinrude engine that closely matched the first Harley-Davidson engine. It's a strong possibility. More research may turn up additional material for a second improved edition with "de-luxe" yellow leather embossed cover.

These Chippewa 17" Motorcycle boots look similar (same 17" height and same style and straps), although they appear to be black (not brown) and have a different heel and sole. The Herter's boots had a soft heel and sole that wore out on pavement. Herter's boot didn't have a steel toe either. These might be more durable. Looks similar to old Herter's boot from photo and maybe Chippewa made those boots for Herter's.

http://www.bootsusa.com/Chippewa%20Boots/17%20inch%20Chip.htm

The East German boots are nice too -- if you can still find them. They come in two styles: square toe and round toe. The square toe looks better IMO. That's what I wear now. Pebbled black leather. 15" tall, no straps.

HarleyCreation
08-22-2003, 04:20 PM
I'm going to bring a few copies of my new book At the Creation: Myth, Reality, and the Origin of the Harley-Davidson Motorcycle, 1901-1909 to Davenport on Saturday the 30th of August.

If anyone wants an autographed copy of this never-before-told story (and I'm not fooling about that description either) look for the World's Oldest Running Harley-Davidson Motorcycle at Davenport on Saturday near the concession stand as I will be hanging around that 1905 Harley Single like a bee attracted to honey.

It should still be warm from the long ride....

If you get a copy of the book before that and want it signed, find me near the '05 Single on Saturday and I'll sign it.

Thanks,
HW

http://www.atthecreation.com/