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Slojo
09-12-2013, 12:10 AM
For the past year or so I have been chasing parts and preparing frame components for another Cannonball bike build. Now, with 360 days left prior to the start of this historical event I have decided its time to get serious. Twelve hours in the barn yesterday has left me one step closer to having a complete frame to start building on.

Today's activities, taking care of a customer, visiting a couple friend followed up by a seven o'clock appointment with Razor my welder to put frame parts together in preparation for the final sweat braze process.

I have chosen to build a new bike and retire the 1914 Gray Ghost from further cannonball activities. 1912 why? Its older than the Anvil, Brad's 1913 X and in my opinion its as old as reasonably possible to make this event with 12000 foot elevations. I believe I am pushing the envelope.

Primary components, this bike will wear an original front frame section (seat post forward) and a fabricated rear frame section (the original tail was badly damaged). Original 1912 fork, handlebars, fenders, engine cases, cylinders, Freewheel clutch drum and cover plate, Schebler carburetor, Bosh magneto. Many of the little items will be original also.

Significant fabrications will include motor internals, flywheels, rods and shafts for the lower end, intake manifold and mounting hardware for the top end. Fuel tanks, undecided as of this time. After much consideration my hypothesis is COASTER BRAKE HUBS should be able to do the job and will be faithfully remanufactured in my shop with special attention to the coaster brake assembly (a science experiment)

Modern purchased items will be pistons and valves and rims and tires for safety and handling (FUN).

Intention, other than the rims and tires is to make this 1912 belt drive twin authentic on the outside by using as many original parts as possible to give creditability to 1912.. Meanwhile look for as much power as possible from this primitive motor to make the 12000 foot elevations possible and,,,, out run the Wolf Pack. Mark and his 2012 neutered canine will come to Cannonball 2014 better prepared aiming for the Ghost meanwhile I have chosen to change bikes to a more primitive package. A two year older bike will make a big difference in performance and durability, this will be a real challenge.

Parts wanted, I am looking for anything flat tank HD to assist me in this build or for trade material. Clutch lever and control rod, Belt tensioner parts, Rear stand, pedal crank assembly, eccentric, profile rims 21 X 1.6, 36 spoke front rim.......

joe

fillibuster
09-12-2013, 06:10 AM
I move we take up a collection, so's we can place your in-house "scribe" with you full-time (you game, Cory?).

Steve Little
09-12-2013, 04:33 PM
Point, shoot, and upload. We wanna see!

Tom Lovejoy
09-12-2013, 11:09 PM
Right on Joe, can't wait. I want to see an American belt drive make it. If anybody can, you can - right on !

c.o.
09-13-2013, 12:09 AM
Mmm.... why move ahead when you can go back further in time. That is awesome Joe!

Phil... bad time of the year to leave the mountains... gotta get ready for the deep snow! A lesson on my favorite flat tanker would be awesome though!

stevekleincustom
09-13-2013, 06:20 PM
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Joe;
My hat is also off to you on this endeavor. I ride my 12 HD single belt drive and 14 chain drive (above) alot but just do not have the "oo's" to attempt such cross country with coaster brakes. Pretty steep grades out there to come down? The older we get the less we want to skuff ourselves on the asphalt. Kind of takes the fun out of a well planned trip.

I would be glad to check my modest teens parts pile for you and also can talk to you about belt construction, durability and a good source for new belts. Take some spare belt pulley lagging and a couple extra belts for good measure. WalMart and NAPA just don't have em!
(A few tubes of Preparation H can also be donated as well? :)

Contact me via email below and we can share phone numbers and go from there.

All The Best

rwm
09-13-2013, 06:36 PM
For the past year or so I have been chasing parts and preparing frame components for another Cannonball bike build. Now, with 360 days left prior to the start of this historical event I have decided its time to get serious. Twelve hours in the barn yesterday has left me one step closer to having a complete frame to start building on.

.

I have chosen to build a new bike and retire the 1914 Gray Ghost from further cannonball activities. 1912 why? I have chosen to change bikes to a more primitive package. A two year older bike will make a big difference in performance

joe
with this official announcement we will now change your moniker to SLOERJO

Rod K
09-13-2013, 09:00 PM
"talk to you about belt construction, durability and a good source for new belts."

Steve....If you could share some of that information on the " Pre 16 thread " I know a number of people, myself included,
who are doing belt drive singles, that would love such information......Respectfully Rod

Slojo
09-13-2013, 11:08 PM
with this official announcement we will now change your moniker to SLOERJO

Rob

I will do what is necessary to produce like power out of the 12 as the 14, it won't be easy . Don't count me out yet !

joe

Slojo
09-14-2013, 12:04 AM
Lonnie required team names for the 2010 Cannonball and a name developed innocently out of conversation on this web site, The 1914 "Gray Ghost". After some thought on the subject I would like to name the 14's stable mate as The 1912 "Evil Twin" (play on words). With performance aspirations, keeping up with the big boys of Cannonball 2014 it will have to be one mean little twin !

The early Harley twins (11 Double and 12 Twin) are week mechanically in the gear chest, have approximately 30% less port area joining the intake pocket and do not benefit from a timed breather using a week poppet valve instead. This twin will be using original 1912 small port cylinder and cases. Yes it will be a twelve motor and chassis not an imposter. Years 1911, 12, 13, 14, 15 twins are all different from each other. Deviations are obvious when one studies them, the differences are significant in the cases, a little less obvious for the cylinders .

Following the trip to the welder's a couple nights ago I have cleaned up those welds, started machining flywheels, reworking frame parts to convert chain drive pedal hanger bottom brackets into belt drive pedal hanger bottom brackets and made a trip to the welder supply picking up several varieties of silver braze and other supporting products. OUCH ! $450 later I was out the door much lighter than when I went in, silver is expensive.

Steve

Much thought pertaining to final belt drive and coaster brakes has been churning in my mind (details later). My first cannonball bike build article states that anyone attempting to run a Harley with coaster brakes across country has a death wish (or something like that). With enough work it is my belief that the coaster will make it without issues if built properly (and modified internally).

joe

c.o.
09-14-2013, 12:26 AM
I'm gettin' jittery already... we needed another "epic" build on this forum!

Slojo
09-14-2013, 10:50 AM
It has been said a good deal is had when both parties involved in negotiations are happy at the end of the deal.

Yesterday Cory (my partner in crime) and I entered into negotiations, Cory to post photos, me, focus on building the Evil Twin and the verbal stuff. Team work. I am pleased to announce our great deal. By way of the art of persuasion Cory is on board again and he came at a bargain price N/C.

Thank you Cory now lets get to work.

joe

c.o.
09-14-2013, 10:20 PM
Yes folks... the negotiations were grueling but we finally met in the middle.... or is that slightly off to one side? It's looking like I have the easy job. I'm looking forward to getting to know this "Evil Twin"!

Slojo
09-14-2013, 11:39 PM
Yes folks... the negotiations were grueling but we finally met in the middle.... or is that slightly off to one side?

Cory
To Funny, yes the negotiations were grueling.

Today was consumed by Flying Iron. Flywheels and chips, two sets of flywheels are being prepared from raw castings (always have another project up my sleeve). Cory has photos of past processes of the rear frame construction that have yet to be documented. Many early photos have been lost is space due to a button error on my part.

If the weather holds up the Ghost will be out for a haunt tomorrow in Stockbridge. This is an annual local bike event which brings in a large number of bikes for "All clubs Day". It should be called not all clubs day as the greazzziest of clubs are not invited.

joe

Skirted
09-15-2013, 06:08 AM
As soon as I saw the first post I was hoping it would be an anchor for many to come similar to the past. Thanks so much for the effort. Performing all the work for the project in an agressive time frame is one thing, taking the time to document it all for the audience is another project in itself. I will be tuned in for sure! Thanks in advance to both of you.
Note:Thread already hit 449 views and its barely out of the gate.

fillibuster
09-15-2013, 10:10 AM
It has been said a good deal is had when both parties involved in negotiations are happy at the end of the deal.

Yesterday Cory (my partner in crime) and I entered into negotiations, Cory to post photos, me, focus on building the Evil Twin and the verbal stuff. Team work. I am pleased to announce our great deal. By way of the art of persuasion Cory is on board again and he came at a bargain price N/C.

Thank you Cory now lets get to work.

joe

2nd attempt at reply, here. I love it when a plan comes together!! You two are a great team, and your reports on C-ball 1 were as good for me as anything else that came of the event. Do a book!

c.o.
09-15-2013, 11:30 AM
First bend on lower right frame rail. The plates under the tube protect the tube and pivot with the bend while being blocked in by miscellaneous hardware .

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Final bend.

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Early mock up of the frame rear section.

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Front frame section preparations for sweat braze.

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Rear frame section prepared for attachment to the front.

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Modifying a pedal crank bottom bracket from chain to belt.

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Beginning of the heart of my motor the flywheels.

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Finished in the shop for Friday night. Chips cleaned and the machine oiled, cast iron chips are such a mess and a damaging force to a machine.

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c.o.
09-15-2013, 11:31 AM
How to end the night, a watermelon dream. Nothing sweeter except peach ice cream !

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Saturday morning back to the flying iron. I am machining two sets of flywheels one for Evil and the second set for a future project. Six jaw chucks are the best.

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Steve Little
09-15-2013, 05:34 PM
Hi Cory and Slojo.*
Thanks for taking the time to post pictures and descriptions of the process.*
In the limited view of my screen, it looks like you'r lathe is making a nice smooth cut. But you have gone to the next step of grinding the flywheel.*
Is this an effort to chase horsepower.
Interesting thread.*

c.o.
09-15-2013, 11:10 PM
Joe played hooky and went to a show today...

" Down town Stockbridge on a rainy cold day. Typically this show is with great weather, the turn out was less than usual but still a good event."

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Slojo
09-15-2013, 11:45 PM
An early rise this Sunday morning and ride into Stockbridge with fellow Cannnballer Chris Price for the annual all clubs show. A little rain dampened many riders spirits and limited the turn out . Those who showed were not disappointed,. as usual a good turnout. After the ride back the Ghost was put away wet and run hard, a good cleaning this week will bring it back to its glory.

Tonight's focus was the carburetor on the Barber bike a 1913 Harley twin. This bike had not run for maybe 95 years and require a cautious tear down and reassembly over the summer. The 13 was first run out (opened up) at Wauseon. That ride turned out to be disappointing , only 40 mph with Dale Walksler following closely (eyeing up the 2013 competition) . The needle jet cam was set lean adjusting this rich should produce better performance. A ride is planed for this week.

Once the carburetor was finished priority shifted back to the flywheels, Finishing the outside diameter and holding tolerance is difficult without coolant on an OD grinder. The small grinding wheel is at disadvantage against the large flywheel. Grinding produces heat and heat expands the outside dimension of the flywheel. . This is where experience and mostly patience pays off. The end result, at room temperature for an hour all four wheels measured within .0001"

Steve

Grinding the outside diameter of the flywheel does improve the finish reducing drag. It also aids in crank pin location later on in the process, stay tuned.

joe

Tom Lovejoy
09-16-2013, 12:19 AM
Awesome stuff, this is as good as our forum get's - thanks Joe and Cory!

c.o.
09-16-2013, 12:21 AM
"Another case of dyslexia or to many lunch time Lagers? Look at these vin numbers, typical of the 1912 through 1914 years. This 13 will be running Barbers Century laps this October."

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"Two sets of flywheels and a weekend worth of work. The outside diameter of all four wheels are O.D. ground within .0001" This will simplify locating the crank pin hole accurately. Next, break the sharp edges, match the casting odd shapes and then machine the finish taper holes."

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Slojo
09-16-2013, 09:45 PM
Todd, a local welder helped me out of a jam on pedal bottom brackets today. Convenience has its advantage some times. Todd also took a look at a Knuckle transmission case that Razor threw in the towel and said if Razor could not weld it he would not willing attempt welding it. Obviously Todd knows Razor and like everyone else, to know Razor is to respect Razor.

Good news, Mark, for those of you who rode along with the Ghost build may remember him as Spark (grinder hand) has survived a hip replacement and neck surgery and is back on his feet. Spark will be instrumental in grinding parts that I choose not to grind in my shop due to the difference in quality of equipment and experience. Like Razor, Spark is at the top of his trade.

The Barber race bike is weighing heavy on my mind and the thought is to go back to the carb for more tweaking, this will delay progress on the Twin.

joe

fillibuster
09-17-2013, 08:33 AM
An early rise this Sunday morning and ride into Stockbridge with fellow Cannnballer Chris Price for the annual all clubs show. A little rain dampened many riders spirits and limited the turn out . Those who showed were not disappointed,. as usual a good turnout. After the ride back the Ghost was put away wet and run hard, a good cleaning this week will bring it back to its glory.

Tonight's focus was the carburetor on the Barber bike a 1913 Harley twin. This bike had not run for maybe 95 years and require a cautious tear down and reassembly over the summer. The 13 was first run out (opened up) at Wauseon. That ride turned out to be disappointing , only 40 mph with Dale Walksler following closely (eyeing up the 2013 competition) . The needle jet cam was set lean adjusting this rich should produce better performance. A ride is planed for this week.

Once the carburetor was finished priority shifted back to the flywheels, Finishing the outside diameter and holding tolerance is difficult without coolant on an OD grinder. The small grinding wheel is at disadvantage against the large flywheel. Grinding produces heat and heat expands the outside dimension of the flywheel. . This is where experience and mostly patience pays off. The end result, at room temperature for an hour all four wheels measured within .0001"

Steve

Grinding the outside diameter of the flywheel does improve the finish reducing drag. It also aids in crank pin location later on in the process, stay tuned.

joe

Hi Joe!
Where did you get the flywheel castings, and what material are they?

knuckcrazy
09-17-2013, 10:55 AM
Hello Joe,
Good seeing you at Davenport. Austin and myself will be keeping up with the build and look forward to your posts. Hope to see you at Barbers.
Cory,
Thanks for accepting the challenge, I would rather take a beating vs uploading pics....

pem
09-17-2013, 11:49 AM
Looking forward to reading this thread on cold winter mornings. Add a cup of coffee and it's a good way to start the morning.

Dick

Slojo
09-17-2013, 10:42 PM
Hi Joe!
Where did you get the flywheel castings, and what material are they?
Fillibuster
Lonnie at Competition supplied the wheels. I believe they are nodular iron and are good quality wheels proven in my 14 Ghost.
Bob
" I would rather take a beating vs uploading pics...."
Me to .

joe

Steve Little
09-18-2013, 05:27 AM
I haven't had a lot to do with cast iron.... (well, when I think about it, I have quite a lot of it in my collection)... but I haven't had a lot to do with machining or making parts out of it. *
I do remember my old sheet metal teacher from high school taking us on an excursion, through a foundry that specialized in cast iron.*
The old guy who showed us around the foundry, had worked there for ever and a day and had started when he was 15.
When we where walking from the main foundry to a separate shed, which from memory, was the pattern department, I asked him if the parts that were stacked outside were old sh!t (which promptly got me a cuff in the side of the head from our teacher, who muttered show some respect).*
What I probably should have said was "the old looking rusty stuff", but in the lingo of a 14 year old everything was....well you know!!
Anyway the old guy chuckles, and goes on to explain that storing some cast iron parts out in the elements, is a normalizing *practice for parts that need to be very stable before machining.*
By leaving the cast iron parts in the cold, heat, and rain, over 12 months, or in some cases, longer, the iron becomes very stable and won't change shape after the iron has been machined to shape.
I probably would have forgotten that information, if not for the cuff in the ear.
Anyway, I wonder if Lonnie has been leaving these out in the weather, and that's why they are rusty?
Is that a Colchester lathe?

fillibuster
09-18-2013, 06:32 AM
Didn't mean to side-track but: qu "By leaving the cast iron parts in the cold, heat, and rain, over 12 months, or in some cases, longer, the iron becomes very stable and won't change shape after the iron has been machined to shape." end qu

That's very interesting to me, Steve. I am rebuilding a top end for my Chief, and had used cast-in-India cyls. I noticed a very slight leak adjacent to the intake ports on both head gaskets (copper), and presumed that the heads were slightly warped. At the machine shop we gave the heads a brief skimming on the planer (a belt sander used on auto heads), and they showed close to nothing on warpage. The cyls, otoh, DID show about .0015" of a "dip" at the area in question, and I'm assuming that this was what caused the slight leak. So, as to the cast-in-India cyls, I am now curious as to their maturity. And I'm curious to know whether Indian, in the earlier days at Springfield, Mass, were as diligent as your tour guide probably was, about when to use that "old ****"!! I believe that Indian was many times in their history, too cheap for their own good. ........ So thanks for the side-track, Steve!

One of my prof's in college once said that the best cast iron to machine little hobby stuff out of was old window weights, because they've had many years of stress-relief hanging in the jams. I thought, who has time to wait? ..... now I recognize that it's never too late to learn things

T. Cotten
09-18-2013, 09:49 AM
"Seasoning", Folks,

Or stress-relief by leaving castings in the weather for extended periods, was a practical process for perhaps a century. Auto motor blocks required it as a matter of course.

Today, cryogenic and other processes are used.
Or should be.

....Cotten

Slojo
09-18-2013, 10:25 AM
Steve

The lathe is a 1954 Monarch with a ten inch six jaw Buck chuck.

Heat treat, vibration and cryogenic are common forms of reducing stresses from the manufacturing of the raw material or finished part although, these treatments speed up the process.

I had a computer lock up this morning and lost my update, sorry.

(The dog ate my papers also)

joe

fillibuster
09-18-2013, 02:22 PM
"Seasoning", Folks,

Or stress-relief by leaving castings in the weather for extended periods, was a practical process for perhaps a century. Auto motor blocks required it as a matter of course.

Today, cryogenic and other processes are used.
Or should be.

....Cotten

Thanks Tom!!
I don't suppose that you'll find "cheap on the seasoning" in the history books, huh?
So if I have another pair of cast-in-india cyls on the shelf, been indoors 5 years, I still might want them outside a few years? .. and then check the decks, the bore, etc?

1919dave
09-18-2013, 03:12 PM
Sit back, Put your feet up, get the Popcorn - This is going to be Awesome!!

T. Cotten
09-18-2013, 03:18 PM
Fillibuster!

History herself is re-written constantly.
Unfortunately, it is most often to suit someone's personal agenda.

Holding inventory for a few years will certainly be horrid to modern producers, because 'time is money', making traditional 'seasoning' anything but cheap.

(I use the "cheap" term carefully, as I have recently been b!tched off of yet another forum, this time for defending a fellow's frugality. There's that 'personal agenda' thing again.)

A small cryogenics outfit, an hour south of my shop, had begged attention to survive.
Unfortunately, vintage carbs and manifolds do not require such treatment (that I am yet aware of, anyway).

But yes, with any modern productions, some sort of treatment is certainly in order.

....Cotten
PS: I only replied as an anecdote, and hope this discussion returns to its tracks!

exeric
09-18-2013, 04:53 PM
Years ago, I worked for a race engine builder who specialized in small block Chevy motors for nascar and below. He got high nickel content blocks directly from GM and they were always rusty. He said they had to be outside for a least a year. I also knew a tool and die maker who did the same thing with tool steel parts that he made for himself, (1,2,3 blocks, angles, v-blocks, etc).

Steve Little
09-18-2013, 05:49 PM
Steve

The lathe is a 1954 Monarch with a ten inch six jaw Buck chuck.

Heat treat, vibration and cryogenic are common forms of reducing stresses from the manufacturing of the raw material or finished part although, these treatments speed up the process.

I had a computer lock up this morning and lost my update, sorry.

(The dog ate my papers also)

joe

Thanks Joe. I find that "old" anything, is far superior than most things today.
If it's not you'r dog,....the muzzle of a air rifle, slowly eased past the curtains of the front window, and Pow in the rump.

T. Cotten
09-18-2013, 06:39 PM
Hey now, it ain't the dog's fault.
(I prefer a slingshot. Marbles out of spray cans have great accuracy, and you only need to to hit them once.
The whistle through the air is warning enough, thereafter.)

But I agree "that "old" anything, is far superior than most things today," particularly when it comes to browsers for this forum's incredibly over-designed format.
(See "Why Why Why" thread.)

Can we hear more about flywheel machining?
Looking forward to it,

....Cotten
PS: Tried to machine some valve guides from window weights once.
It quickly exceeded the capacity of my equipment, as well as my patience.
Got plenty of stock if anybody needs some.

Slojo
09-18-2013, 11:51 PM
The flywheels received attention tonight, breaking the sharp edges on the OD to face in the Monarch. Afterwards to the Bridgeport to clean up the edges on the inner casting surfaces. A new ball nose end mill will be necessary to finish the mill work, Move on to the next project.

Stalled on the flywheels and frame bottom bracket its time to work on the muffler. Jeff Willis comes through again . This time Jeff has decided to be my first Cannonball 2014 sponsor. Today a muffler casting kit arrived in the mail. Jeff makes quality casting for our early bikes such as pedal crank arms, mufflers, fuel line Y pipes and many other pieces. Time to get to work on the muffler.

My friend Dave retired so original style muffler canisters with lap joint, seam and rivets are no longer available. Dave's muffler cans were the best. Last year I returned to my old sheet metal shop and found another position left vacant due to retiree. I ordered muffler cans anyway and found the fit and finish to be unsatisfactory. Left with two decisions , look for anther sheet metal source and try out the talent, pass..... make my own canister on the Monarch from a piece of pipe,,,,, done.

joe

c.o.
09-19-2013, 12:16 AM
"Original muffler parts and Jeff Willlis remanufactured castings"

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"Chamfering the flywheel."

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"Turning pipe into a muffler canister."

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fillibuster
09-19-2013, 06:39 AM
" Marbles out of spray cans have great accuracy" end qu of Tom

I work around grain bin sites, and it's unbelievable how much hardware is thrown away! I have a bucket full of rusty 5/16" nuts, and they're great for cows, scary for dogs, damn near lethal on cats! I did have a bucket of rusty 1/4", but ran out. ... gotta get past this ammo-cost thing, guys.

Slojo
09-19-2013, 11:05 PM
Back to the future

Work today had me busy with circuit board repair. Sixteen pin chip removal although fairly straight forward came off with some difficulty, caution is the best procedure. Replacing the old with a new chip did not solve the issue with this spindle drive board. Another component is still on back order and should be here next week.

Enough with the future

The past is so much more interesting. Dewy sent three bottom brackets for pedal crank assemblies. My job was to convert them to belt drive from chain drive style. The conversion did not go well with to many issues to cover here, although I did get one of three finished and it came out good not great. These parts are not meant to be converted, next time I will give second thought before attempting a conversion.

With the completion of the bottom bracket the frame is ready for final assembly, silver brazing will be the weld process to handle the frame assembly as the factory did 101 years ago, A hundred and one years ago think about the differences in shops, mine verses theirs, line shafts versus variable frequency motor drives, fluorescent lights verses saw tooth roof lines, computers and calculators verses slide rulers, coated carbide cutting tool verses high carbon tool steel, circular interpolation verses rotary tables, you get the idea.

joe

c.o.
09-20-2013, 12:11 AM
"Some of what pays for all this fun. I replaced chip L31 62307 . De-solder pump, butane solder pen, magnifying glass, solder , flux, flux cleaner and small diagonal cutters will get you through this process."

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"Finished bottom bracket. Both ends were extended and the threaded end diameter is increased to two inches."

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"Frame ready for final brazing. this frame front section is all original Harley the rear fabricated parts from Lonnie Dewy and myself."

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Slojo
09-21-2013, 12:25 AM
Side tracked again

1913 twin Barber bike

A call to Dale Walksler today in search of some fairy dust ( Form Ross's comment, Forum Thread: 2013 Century Lap - Barber Vintage Weekend "Joe I will be there to cheer you on but beware...I visited Dale in July and that Indian will have fairy dust sprinkled on it".). Dale is anxious to race Barbers Century laps again and apparently he used up all the antique fairy dust.

A significant realization had me tweaking the carburetor on the 1913 in search of missing performance. Next a seat change, this will be the most important performance enhancement as the other seat left a vague feeling of the road surface.

A Messenger Superba leaf spring saddle is to take place of the existing seat. Problem is the seat is missing a couple parts to mount it to the seat bar. Following photos detail fabrication of these two items

joe

c.o.
09-21-2013, 02:07 AM
"The following three photos are of the stud required to pitch the seat bracket tight to the under seat frame and seat bar. Material is Quadco XR no longer available. This steel will hold high torque loads"

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"Following photos demonstrate step by step procedure of making the pinch bracket for the under seat mounting hardware. Tomorrow I will finish the bracket."

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Slojo
09-21-2013, 09:34 PM
Two days to fabricate, fit and mount the seat is to much time. The seat mounting post strap required a lot of work to produce. Overall the project came out nice. I like this seat, it leaves a confident felling of handling without the swaying left to right as did the previous seat.

The 13 should be ready for its test run tomorrow. If the weather holds out, a trip is planed to run at a remote location for final tuning in preparation for Barber.

I am itching to get back to the Twin, frame components are ready for brazing and Tony (welder) is on stand by.

joe

c.o.
09-22-2013, 12:21 PM
"Three photos of the fabricated seat mounting hardware and fitment of the seat."

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Slojo
09-22-2013, 02:30 PM
A quick lunch break and back to work.

The test run of the Barber 13 went poorly, it only ran 50 mph a gain of 10 from the last run. Last chain adjustment the chain was one click from tight to lose I set it tight and found it way to tight after the run. This may be a problem for speed. Chains are readjusted and it is time for another firing.

joe

Slojo
09-22-2013, 07:17 PM
Test ran the 13 Barber bike on the stand this afternoon and found it still lacking in the rev department. Advanced the ignition timing a little and still no improvements. Bang,,, I then remembered the Ghost also had a similar limit to the rev range, I found that its intake valves were floating. Replaced the intake valve springs with a different wire wind and size, including a few other upgrades the speed increased from 75 to 90.

Tomorrow new intake valve springs will be wound up. In fairness to Dale and Matt maybe I will take some to Maggy Valley prior to the race. If Matt is to get these springs he will have to promise to maintain his race line this time and not cross mine. It appears Matt will be ridding William Sylvester's 13 and Dale will be on the 12 defunct and resurrected red skin for a second year.

Lets hope this Barber Century Race will be recorded for TV again it will be a real hoot. These three bikes should be very competitive this time as they all are 61 inch twins and who knows what else will show?

Hope to see you at Barbers come October, I know a group of local friends whom, to keep cost down are renting a high capacity van and hauling about 12 fellow enthusiasts to the event.

joe

Slojo
09-23-2013, 10:14 PM
An early trip this morning to McGuire spring to have intake valve springs twisted for the 13 Barber bike. Ron was busy with a job already so he was unable to break away and wind up my order. Perhaps they will be available tomorrow.

Jeff Willis (Ohio 304-638-4265) sent muffler castings at N/C, he told me he wanted to participate in this event and sponsor my Cannonball run with parts. In a couple days of work a muffler can be made from his castings and a old piece of hard wall pipe.

A finished muffler on hand is good when building the frame. The muffler and the back end mounting hardware assembled to the frame can be held in place perfectly for the welder.

Gas tanks and magnetos are on my mind. It would be nice to use stock tanks and have an auxiliary tank mounted on the bike somewhere. You need to carry three gallons of fuel, stock tanks are about two gallons.

joe

c.o.
09-23-2013, 10:56 PM
"Notice the deep breathing exercise given to the rectangular exhaust port of the tail pipe casting. To get speed out of a twelve motor every detail will become more important than those of the Ghost build. Originally the canister should be rolled sheet metal joined together by a folded joint (Hem?) and riveted. I machined the muffler canister out of an old piece of pipe."

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Slojo
09-24-2013, 10:00 PM
Productively fell sharply today, getting arrested takes so much out of a guy. All the tough guy cop intimidation tactics (read as lies) knocks the wind out of your sail. I did thread the exhaust pipe stud tonight and install the new intake valve springs in the 13 Barber bike.

The resistance of the new intake valve springs increased. Starting at a 1.35 " free length we measured the spring resistance at one inch. The original springs equaled eight pounds the new spring measures ten pounds, a 20% increase in resistance. I was looking for 10% , since the seat pressure is light a decision was to try the springs as they are at 10 pounds.

More thoughts on the fuel tanks and brakes / hub design . The tanks will be stock unlike the Ghost with its replica tanks made one inch wider to increase fuel capacity to three gallons. I think an auxiliary fuel tank will be affixed to the fork. The fuel tank will be a cylindrical shape to resemble an acetylene tank. The new brake design is still brewing but good things will happen. As previously stated an undetectable original style coaster with internal enhancements will be the final design.

joe

c.o.
09-24-2013, 10:36 PM
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O.K. photo taken care of.... now what's this about the "Evil Twin Doctor" having a brush with the law???

rwm
09-25-2013, 07:46 AM
Cuffed & stuffed ? Up against the wall dirt bag

Skirted
09-25-2013, 11:34 AM
O.K. photo taken care of.... now what's this about the "Evil Twin Doctor" having a brush with the law???

Yea I read that and thought I must have missed something so went back and reread posts. Maybe hes just checking to see if we are paying attention to what he writes. Can't imagine Slojo would do anything to earn 3 hots and a cott.

I very much appreciate all the detail on the machining processes.

BigLakeBob
09-25-2013, 11:37 AM
Maybe speeding on the '13!! Bob

Earl
09-25-2013, 02:53 PM
Maybe it was the Harley Police for violation of some of Bill Harley's patents.....

exeric
09-25-2013, 05:31 PM
Maybe it was the Harley Police for violation of some of Bill Harley's patents.....

Now that's funny.

Slojo
09-25-2013, 10:09 PM
The entire incident would take to much time to cover following is an abridged version.

Low on gas I pulled into a fuel station in Genesee County inserted my charge card into the pump and began filling up. A quick glance at the pump I noticed, it registering roughly $3.00 .8 gallons,,, hmm, fast pump I thought.

Several minutes later the pump shut off , removing the pump nozzle from my car I hung it up. Looking at the pump it stated my cost as $84 and change wow what is the cost of fuel here? I then notice over 24 gallons pumped. I have owned three of these Towncars and with total mileage accumulation of over 500,000 miles haven't ever pumped 18 gallons into one even after the mileage gauge reached zero. I just hit the 50 mile fuel warning prior to refueling it should take 16 to 17 gallons, something is wrong.

The attendant was useless , I asked her to call the station manager and then the police she refused. I called the 1-888 number on the pillar adjacent to the pump and registered a complaint with Shell. Next back into the station to get and recorded the police phone number from the phone book into my note pad when the attendant stated someone would be there right away.

Moments's latter a nicely dressed gentleman (undercover cop) entered the store and approached me asking what the problem was I thought he was the station manager (wrong) . We walked to the pump and I explained the situation. He immediately said my car was a large car and had the capacity to hold 24 gallons. I offered to show him the owners manual he wasn't interested and attempted to run me off as if nothing unusual happened.

I asked who he was and if he has a business card. He said he was the boss and refused to offer a business card. He then asked who I was, l refused to identify myself until he gave me a business card. He reached for my left arm and I was about to defend myself when I noticed he was carrying a gun and badge on his right side. Cuffed and under arrest they assumed I was involved in a scam of some sort hurling accusations after accusations trying to find something to stick including accusing me of not pumping any gas in my tank at all, another sort of scam I guess.

It became nasty for about an hour (by now about six cop cars marked and unmarked had arrived on the "crime seen of the century" ( think Alice's restaurant here) before they realized something did go wrong with the transaction and released me , not without a citation though.

After all had cleared I think I understand some of what happened. The pump started with nearly eight gallons and nearly 28 dollars registered. When I turned and looked at the pump from the beginning I assumed .8 gallons (8/10ths) and three dollars what It actually displayed was 8 gallons and 30 dollars, one decimal point off on both values. All the math ads up.

Now to find out how the pump remained on. Since it appears to have disregarded my charge card how did it start and at approximately 8 gallons and who was the previous user of this pump?. The cops checked the last charge card transaction on the pump and it was not from my card. It was paid for by another card holder and did not reflect my transaction.

Something happened between that card transaction and my fill up.

I now have a court date to answer for a Disobedient Conduct citation. If a cop asks for your ID apparently the law says you must furnish it. First the cop is responsible to identify him or her self , something this handcuff cowboy neglected to do. The cop was under cover dressed in street cloths and driving an inconspicuous unmarked car.

Can you believe this is an abridged version ? it is.

joe

Slojo
09-25-2013, 10:22 PM
After all the commotion it was back to the barn for anther shot at finishing the muffler, success ! Although I did break a 6-32 tap in the Y pipe due to shifting in the vise, it is difficult to hold onto this part.

With coated carbide today and a whole lot of care you can mill / drill out a broken tap. The key here is taps are made of high speed steel , about 62 Rockwell C scale. Carbide is closer to ten points higher. Since carbide is a harder material, with due care it can cut the softer H.S.S.tap.

joe

LouieMCman
09-25-2013, 10:28 PM
Well at least you didn't get arrested for something stupid....like no head light.

jurassic
09-25-2013, 10:39 PM
Abridged version:
You got shitty with him and he didn't like it.

c.o.
09-25-2013, 11:32 PM
Abridged version:
You got shitty with him and he didn't like it.

Yup... noticed the badge too late.

Joe, that's just a plain ol' bummer. I nearly got arrested in Eureka CA one time due to a gas station incident. I lucked out and after an incident with sirens and high speed police cruisers I got a cop that was willing to listen. Mind you he didn't try to grab me and was wearing a uniform!

Alright Louie... are you telling us you've been arrested for "no headlight"!!!

O.K. back to regular programming....

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Slojo
09-26-2013, 07:15 AM
Abridged version:
You got shitty with him and he didn't like it.

Lonnie

I maintained my composure throughout the entire event.

I don't respond well to inappropriate treatment especially by strangers who don't offer the courtesy of identifying themselves when disrespecting and abusing me. Remember he was undercover and didn't identify himself as an officer, I thought he was the station manger ! Your abridged version does not fit the incident. The gas station was cheating me out of nearly thirty dollars and this cowboy did not listen.

joe

knuckcrazy
09-26-2013, 01:32 PM
I would still be in jail.....

Slojo
09-26-2013, 08:32 PM
Bob

Because I maintained my composure the cop changed his mind and did not jail me, his original intention. He did remove the cuffs for the last 30 minutes or so and then sent me on my way (catch and release program). We debated while he had me cuffed correcting his false statements and lies. Basically, I stood my ground without getting out of character.

The cowboy softened up when he realized he was wrong about me.

joe

Ok, Corys turn to post.

Slojo
09-26-2013, 10:07 PM
Page 82 of the Ghost build displays grinding the I.D. of the flywheels on Leo's Parker Majestic ID grinder . Leo has since sold that machine, time for a new plan.

joe

LouieMCman
09-26-2013, 10:27 PM
"Alright Louie... are you telling us you've been arrested for "no headlight"!!! "

Nope, not me!

Slojo
09-26-2013, 10:32 PM
Louie

WAY TO FUNNY !!!

joe

c.o.
09-26-2013, 11:26 PM
I maintained my composure throughout the entire event.

joe

Joe, that's a testament to your character. I'm fairly level headed most of the time but I can't say for sure that I would have held my "composure" in that sort of situation.

O.K. let's catch up with the photos already!!!!

"Pre silver braze assembly. Making sure everything fits and aligns prior to Tony's arrival."

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c.o.
09-26-2013, 11:37 PM
Alright it's time for a diversion. No motorsickles here but interesting nonetheless in my estimation!

"Does this stuff interest anyone? I always wanted a convertible just not my house. We are back on the cabin project where we left off four years ago, this time a whole new roof and some replacement rafters. The new rafters are cut from my woods and are made from maple, we removed two rotted oaks from the cabin rafters.

The roof rafters and pine boards will no longer bear the weight of the new roof system I developed. The weight will be distributed on the 2 X 10s laying flat on top of the gable walls with 24' span 10" Z channel used as stringers, insulation then corrugated steel on top to match the barn.

It is typically dark inside the cabin due to the window placement and trees blocking the sun. When in the cabin you feel like a mushroom but not today. Interesting note is the cabins two previous owners raised mushrooms here.

I can finally stand up off center in the loft without hitting my head on the ceiling.

joe"

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Slojo
09-28-2013, 09:22 PM
Lets get through the roof project first.

We pealed the roof boards off the back side off my cabin and replaced four of six rafter. The new roof boards are machined as the old boards, ship lap, meaning they overlap in a similar fashion as shingles. Completing the roof back side Friday evening we covered it for the weakened with a heavy gauge tarp once used to cover the barn prior to putting the top on.

Back to the Twin

Other than silver brazing the frame is finished, time to finish flywheels. Setting up the Monarch to cut the pinion and sprocket shaft tapered holes is simple as rotating the compound rest and indicating parallelism of the cross slide to the taper on a matting shaft. It is important to get this process right, to do so you must have the dial indicator used for the set up and the cutting tools vertically on centerline of the spindle. If you miss center height your tapers will not be correct. Off center above or below will reduce your tapered angle and bell mouth the shape of the tapered hole that you are boring and in this case grinding into the flywheel.

Yes grinding, grinding the taper gives a better contact surface for a firmer grip of the shaft by the flywheel. Leo sold the I.D. grinder used on the Ghost flywheels. Without an I.D. grinder improvisation with a pencil grinder mounted in the tool post on the Monarch to finish the tapered bores. The flywheel is indicated for concentricity and axial true, total indicator reading (T.I.R.) is less than .0005". Next, with an industrial diamond dress the grinding wheel prior to "dusting" about .0005" per side from the machined bore.

Fenders were pulled from the inventory to prepare them for the build. They look good, both fenders are original and the front fender's only flaw is some surface rust. The rear fender is also nice, although it has been worked on in the past.

joe

c.o.
09-28-2013, 11:36 PM
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4thcoast
09-29-2013, 08:28 AM
Run,
Before anyone did anything on o motorcycle Carl Stearns Clancy Did it all on a 12 Henderson. To have History on your side. You bet I would.11764

4thcoast
09-29-2013, 08:30 AM
Hey,
Stay out of Jail. I want you at your best.

Mark

Slojo
09-29-2013, 11:35 AM
Hmm,,,

4thcoast guy. What are you doing here, spying? You know two can play that game. Wolf pack , cracker jack what's the difference ? In the end all you have is a cheap toy surprise.

joe

Slojo
09-30-2013, 09:08 PM
Hey 4thcoast guy

Is the rumor true? Will there be a 1912 challenge to the Evil Twin in the form of a Four. You might be half OK after all. A 12 Detroit built, I could learn to respect that maybe even ride with.

Over the weekend the flywheels received finishing touches on the on center tapered bores followed by making three of four 1/4 round fender braces. The fourth brace (right rear) was a leftover from the Ghost project . There was a change of direction on the Ghost from 1/4" to 5/16" round stock for fender braces leaving a pair of 1/4 round braces behind as extras or spares.

The Barber Century Laps are right around the corner and my bike is still not prepared so if customers don't take up to much time the rest of my spare time will be devoted to getting power and speed out of the 13 twin.

Dale announced he has a second year for his 'What's in the Barn' Velocity channel program. We will be racing again this year on film as last year. Video from helmet cams and other bike mounted cameras record the race and show the viewers exactly what the racers see. Look for some exciting footage again of this road race run with 100 year old motorcycles at George Barber's beautifully prepared race park and museum.

joe

Slojo
10-01-2013, 10:16 PM
After mounting a degree wheel on the sprocket shaft of the 13 Barber bike a decision was made to pull the gear chest down and see what can be done with cam timing. Although I built this motor a couple months ago, setting up cam timing was an exercise in aliening the markers and accept them as correct. Running the motor convinced me something was wrong.

It appears the cam timing marker on the gear set is incorrect, one gear tooth late. My bet is the guy responsible for hammering serial numbers in 12, 13 and 14 must have been the same guy that marked the cam gear set on this motor.

Cam timing today has benefited from years of experimentation and research. This early two lobe cam is more a compromise than a science, anything resembling contemporary valve operation will not be found here. To advance one tooth is to advance both intake and exhaust operations about twenty degrees.

With new valve springs on the intake side (always a week point on these early motors) and cam timing reconfigured this motor might just have a chance to capture a checkered flag baring someone doesn't bring a fire breather. This 13 is a stock motor , cast iron pistons, small bore screw on carburetor, low ration rocker arms, everything as it came from the factory with in 1913 .

I hope to fire it up and take it for a timed test run tomorrow .

joe

c.o.
10-01-2013, 10:47 PM
Maybe the guy who stamped your "cam gear set" and "serial numbers" just couldn't handle his beer??? Talk about making a guy work for a good running motor!!!

Slojo
10-14-2013, 10:10 PM
Jefferson I found an NOS points cover for a Bosh Magneto hmm............... Why?

Barber century race was fun and disappointing. My original 1913 magneto proved to be firing a week spark, so a rebuilt loaner magneto was installed at Wheels Thorough Time from Dale's inventory.

Dale's loaner magneto fired a hot spark until moments before race time when it decided to give up the ghost. Dale leaped to my assistance and removed the points cover for a quick visual inspection while Art and I focused on spark plugs. . The bike restarted and ran well just in time for the race.

Paul OZ acted first to the green while Matt immediately captured the lead on his fast 1913 HD. Dale and I followed Matt into the first bend.

My 13 HD was running week behind Dale while Matt's strong running 13 HD was pulling over on the side of the track at about the 1/2 mile mark with fuel flow problems (fuel line plugged with rust). Dale now leading the race I passed him and ran lead for the first of two laps across the start finish line . Alone in front after the first lap all I could think of is lack of power and Dale's screaming Red Skin burning by when my 13 started misfiring. I made it half way around the track limping along until the 13's magneto quite firing spark. A brief pull off the track and inspection reveled the magneto points cover shorting out on the kill button circuit.

With a little luck the 13 re-fired and limped back to the finish line under its own power.

Now pulled into the paddock, cautiously abusing the reproduction points cover to force it into a convex face instead of a concave face for clearance inside, it worked. The 13 was last back onto the track in time for the Cannonballers parade lap with both cylinders firing for the full lap.

Still week on power it appears the cam is either wrong or out of specification for my 1913 61" . With a proper operating magneto my 13 is still to slow for the fast Indian, although I do believe Matt's 13 HD would have been the victor with full fuel flow. My hat off to Dale, great job at the end of the race winning by a feather's length.

Without doubt my 13 is week yet it 13 handled well, ask Buzz C.

Tom Lovejoy
10-15-2013, 12:41 AM
That's a great photo Dave put up of you guys at the start, looks like a blast! Right on Dale, wins one for Indian!

Slojo
10-15-2013, 09:47 PM
Run,
Before anyone did anything on o motorcycle Carl Stearns Clancy Did it all on a 12 Henderson. To have History on your side. You bet I would.11764

4thCoast Guy

What about the California and a much earlier date ? Better clean up your act or loose creditability.

joe

rwm
10-15-2013, 10:11 PM
joe maybe you should call THIS 13 THE PRIMA DONNA TWIN.<a href="http://s372.photobucket.com/user/robronky/media/jefferson%2013/IMG_9668_zpsa9234ea3.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo162/robronky/jefferson%2013/IMG_9668_zpsa9234ea3.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_9668_zpsa9234ea3.jpg"/></a>


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Slojo
10-15-2013, 10:41 PM
Rob

Prima Donna? Depends on which definition of the term is applied.

The photos depict a Jefferson preparation for firing. The fuel line dirt traps were clogged causing starting difficulties. I cleaned them out again while at Dale's and had no further fuel line troubles.

joe

c.o.
10-19-2013, 12:27 AM
Cool photos Rob... That '13 is purdy cool! Damn mags eh Joe? That Walksler is a hard man to beat!

Slojo
10-19-2013, 09:06 AM
Cory

Magnetos certainly do cause me a lot of grief. A last minute quick magneto change in hopes for a hot spark introduced a new problem, the magneto used for competition had a reproduction points cover and was the culprit. Along with the magneto their must be another Gremlin in this motor , it just doesn't make good power like other early 61" twins I have worked with. Everything checks good except the cam . Something for a later date, now it's time to finish building a 37 Knuckle Head motor.

joe

BoschZEV
10-19-2013, 10:19 AM
Magnetos certainly do cause me a lot of grief... There's no reason magnetos can't be 100% reliable. The following link is an extensive description of the complete restoration of a Bosch ZEV that I did for a friend to use in the last Cannonball (he'll be using the same bike in the next one even though it's a 1923).

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=446733#Post446733

I'm not soliciting work, since I only restore magnetos for myself (and for a few close friends), but seeing what needs to be done to properly restore a magneto will help explain why so many "professionally restored" ones cause people a lot of grief.

knuckcrazy
10-19-2013, 10:52 AM
There's no reason magnetos can't be 100% reliable. The following link is an extensive description of the complete restoration of a Bosch ZEV that I did for a friend to use in the last Cannonball (he'll be using the same bike in the next one even though it's a 1923).

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=446733#Post446733

I'm not soliciting work, since I only restore magnetos for myself (and for a few close friends), but seeing what needs to be done to properly restore a magneto will help explain why so many "professionally restored" ones cause people a lot of grief.

I checked out your site......WOW.....impressive.

BoschZEV
10-19-2013, 11:16 AM
I checked out your site......WOW.....impressive.Thanks for your comment. A Gold Star I bought ~20 years ago was the first bike I'd had with a magneto. The magneto wasn't functioning when I bought it so, rather than learning how to rebuild it myself, I made the mistake of having it professionally restored by someone who came with good recommendations. That magneto failed after ~50 miles. The tools and instrumentation shown on that site are only a fraction of what resulted from my subsequent decades' long obsession with magnetos. One Appendix is a copy of a two-part article I wrote on replacement condensers that ran in 'The Antique Motorcycle' two years ago.

c.o.
10-19-2013, 01:13 PM
There's no reason magnetos can't be 100% reliable. .

Glad you said that. You'd never know it from the reporting from the first Cannonball.


One Appendix is a copy of a two-part article I wrote on replacement condensers that ran in 'The Antique Motorcycle' two years ago.

Ah, hah!!!! You're the author of that "electrical mystery" stuff!!!! Loved the articles and will be going right through that link you posted in the near future. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

BoschZEV
10-19-2013, 01:38 PM
You'd never know it from the reporting from the first Cannonball. ... "electrical mystery" stuff!!!! ...You put your finger on a large part of the problem. Electricity is a mystery to most motorcyclists, so when their freshly rebuilt magnetos fail they don't get upset with the rebuilder but instead regard it as having been inevitable. Instead of being justifiably upset with the rebuilder that the magneto failed after 50 miles they regard it as some sort of miracle it lasted even that long, or they think they just were unlucky to have gotten a bad one.

No motorcyclist would accept it as anything other than shoddy workmanship if their engine ground to a halt and they discovered it was because a snap ring was missing from the wrist pin. If customers realized that every properly restored magneto will be good for tens of thousands of miles with only minimal maintenance (i.e. lubing the cam and replacing the points and brushes when they wear out) they wouldn't accept any excuses offered for failure. The bar for rebuilders would be raised to where it should have been all along.

BoschZEV
10-19-2013, 02:13 PM
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.p.s. I've lectured on magneto restoration several times at AMA's Vintage Days and at a vintage rally in Ireland. The last two years the (former) Davenport chapter wanted to bring me there to give a hands-on magneto restoration workshop, but the timing conflicted with trips I was already committed to make. I have a portable toolkit (that has let me rebuild magnetos in motel rooms -- if I'd been there at the start of the first Cannonball I could have had everyone running by the second day), portable testers, magneto bodies cross-sectioned on my mill to let people see what is happening inside, cross sectioned armatures, etc. It's all legal for carry-on luggage, although the TSA shows more than a little interest when the bag passes through the x-ray machine...

c.o.
10-19-2013, 09:56 PM
The magneto fiasco on the first Cannonball had me wondering.... There is a museum about a days drive from my place that is dedicated to old machinery in general. They have a full restoration shop and handle pretty much everything but you guessed it... magnetos. They relied on an old farmer down the road that had kept all the old tractors going in the area for years. His mag work was top notch and all was well. Well... one day he said that he was hanging up his hat and they decided they had to send their mags out. You guessed it again... they were less than satisfied with the results and decided they weren't having any of it. They contacted that old farmer and acquired all his equipment and had him oversee the operation until he was satisfied they could do the work. I'm sure there are a few folks out there that do a good job but it sounds like maybe there aren't enough of them.

Now a semi airport friendly portable mag repair shop sounds pretty cool. That would have been the ticket eh Joe? Check out that link posted above when you get the chance. Amazing stuff!!

BoschZEV
10-20-2013, 12:11 AM
Now a semi airport friendly portable mag repair shop sounds pretty cool. Pardon the quality of the photo, but I only took the time to dump the contents of the 5 lb. blue bag on the floor and take a snapshot of my TSA-semifriendly portable magneto toolkit:

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I supplement this with a few "normal" instruments, some of which also fit in the blue bag: LCR meter, high voltage insulation tester, tiny oscilloscope, and a soldering iron. A few items that aren't allowed on airplanes I buy locally (e.g. can of compressed air and 6V lantern battery for the dynamic coil tester that's in the bag at upper right).

If it turns out a magneto died because its coil developed an open winding, I wouldn't be able to wind a new one in a motel room. But, short of that, the kit lets me diagnose and repair most magneto meltdowns in the comfort of a Motel 6 at 2 a.m.

D.A.Bagin
10-20-2013, 08:43 AM
Your website is amazing. How do you find time to do anything else?? LOL. Your statement about electricity being a mystery is ever so true. Give me a wrench, grease and oil and I am fine. Give me wire, a battery and ignition switch and I am terrified.

BoschZEV
10-20-2013, 11:58 AM
How do you find time to do anything else?? I had a very nice phone conversation with Slojo yesterday afternoon that touched on exactly this point. It's a key reason why I don't rebuild magnetos for others, because I have my own projects to work on.

When my friend asked me to look at his Bosch ZEV magneto ~18 months ago in preparation for the last Cannonball, he said it wouldn't be sent to me for a few months because the bike first had to be shipped to the U.S. Given that I didn't know what problems I might face (and, if you read my thread on that other site, you'll see I had to deal with a lot of them) I started prowling eBay looking for ZEVs to use for replacement parts if necessary. Although that particular rebuild had a short, firm deadline I continued to follow eBay with the thought that I might pick up a ZEV, rebuild it in a leisurely fashion, and have it available for exactly the sort of situation Slojo is facing now. However, complete ones that look like junk routinely sell for over $400 (ones claimed to be good have sold for as much as 3x that amount). I just haven't felt like spending $400 for a piece of junk to sit on the shelf waiting for me to work on it instead of one of my own projects.

However, this Bosch ZEV digression has hijacked Slojo's thread long enough so I'll quit posting on this topic here. Note that I did start a thread on the Bosch ZEV in the Electrical Forum where I would be happy to reply to anything further on this topic:

http://www.antiquemotorcycle.org/bboard/showthread.php?20814-Restoration-of-a-Bosch-ZEV-magneto

knuckcrazy
11-11-2013, 09:01 PM
Joe..........Joe.............are you there?
Any updates? Missed you at Barbers but watched you race.
Austin says Hi.

Slojo
11-13-2013, 09:56 PM
Hi Bob and Austin , keep up the pounding and wrenching on those old bikes. Sorry for the poor outcome at Barbers. Not enought time to do everything right.

Clearly falling behind on my Evil Twin build project, therefore no updates worthy of posting. Most of my time relegated to other responsibilities such as total replacement of my cabin roof , minor importance having a roof and insulation right?. Last winter was cold without insulation. Also repaired the wood stove readying it for another winter. It required welding internal cracks, replacement of all the fire brick and upper steel supports.

Next the gas station massacree (Arlo would be proud) in four part harmony with the Court locking me up on the group W bench for failure to cooperate with their corruption, NO, I am not anti Government just anti corrupt government and am willing to stand up for my rights. Three trips to court so far and still no further along with process. It appears they do not want to dismiss the case and do not want to prosecute it either as it will put the cop on the stand, things will get ugly.

The court is trying to protect the cop (detective) knowing they have no way out, dig, dig, dig. Strange, the appearance of impropriety exists between the station attendant and detective, both attempting a cover up of the missing eight gallons of fuel. Wait for it to come around on the guitar one more time.

Next the Hospital , bad news for George (National number 92) is being overtaken by Parkinson's and is on his last lap. I can't imagine going from broad sliding a BSA Gold Star or a KR around a flat track in the late 50's through the early 70's to being un-able to stand on you own two feet today.

Car, Had to remove the entire dash to replace a heater control unit, two days

Business, yes work is a necessity still and things have been running ruff lately.

Barber and Jefferson, not what l expected but non the less better than a bad day at work (see above).

1912 Frame, yes some bike work has taken place. The frame is nearly complete, with a little TIG work and silver braze remaining to complete the work of art. These frames are a thing of beauty when completed, love the left side belt sheave offset.

joe

knuckcrazy
11-14-2013, 07:00 AM
Sounds like your plate is full but you are on top of things.
Sorry about your friend we just went thru same with a friend in Davenport area...sucks.
Check the build every once in a while if you need laugh as Austin and I will show how NOT to do things!
Good hearing from you.

rwm
11-14-2013, 10:07 PM
1200412005120061200712004120051200612007i went through the corruption today joe. seems like the cops think if you drive a truck you have no rights. they had 10 townships of cops from two county's doing dot stops. as soon as one of the officers was done with a truck they pulled one more over for him. when the officer came to the side of the truck he said " i'm going to open your door" i have been through these stops before and have had it with them. my reply was" no the doors locked don't open it". he came back with "i must so he can read the gvw" i told him" it's painted on the side of the truck in 8 inch letter he's more then welcome to read them just don't open my door" round and round we went. finally he say's sir come out of the truck.
out i went and slammed the door, locked it and placed the key in my shirt pocket. at this point he has 2 of his co workers by his side. oe says " please open the back door" i said no. you got a warrant. he claims " they don't need one. so i said " ok let me get the key out of my pocket" out came my cell phone. i held up the phone like it was on video and said do no search my truck you guys have no right or reason. then i told them in pa. it is an illegal to ask to search a vehicle with out returning the driver's license. they had a good chuckle with that one. a minute later the third cop comes by and says i can go a check of the vin shows i passed a dot check in va. last week
if i had never download updates for my i phone i may have been able to really turn on the video camera. but let me tell you they dont wont to be filmed and it changes the way they work. i tried to take photos of all the cops and trucks but it's hard with the windshield in the way.

rwm
11-14-2013, 10:10 PM
well i quess those photos are proof that i need lucy to do all the photo work. good luck with the roof joe and PAY THE 2 DOLLARS.

Slojo
11-14-2013, 10:50 PM
Good for you Rob, more people need to stand up to these criminals in uniform and their partners in crime the judiciary.

joe

Slojo
11-14-2013, 10:53 PM
well i quess those photos are proof that i need lucy to do all the photo work. good luck with the roof joe and PAY THE 2 DOLLARS.

Two dollars what are you talking about? If you are refering to the gas situation it was eight gallons of fuel or about 28 dollars.

rwm
11-15-2013, 07:12 AM
Two dollars what are you talking about? If you are refering to the gas situation it was eight gallons of fuel or about 28 dollars.

no joe. it's a quote from willie howard. he did a vaudeville act. he is charged with spitting on a nyc. subway. the fine is $2.00 his lawyer spends a ton trying to get the fine removed. in the end when they drag willie out to jail. he yells to the lawyer PAY THE $ 2 DOLLARS . when i was in high school i worked for an old man. that was his favorite saying when i got into trouble. i tried to find it on the net but. cant maybe corry will more luck..

c.o.
11-15-2013, 10:41 PM
Joe sent me these pictures a couple of nights ago.... so my apologies for being tardy! Work's been getting in the way of my old motorsickle addiction! Ain't that new roof a dandy?

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Rob, that kind of stuff happens up here all the time. The DOT's set up huge checks in road side rest stops and wheel all the trucks in and go right through everything. Recently the police forces have been granted inspection rights to large transports and that has caused a lot of P.O'd truckers. One log hauler I know was pulled over and fined by the same guy 3 times in one week! One might say there might be a reason for that but it was real nitpicky stuff that you likely wouldn't think of or at least might slip your mind. I could write a short essay on the problems I've heard about! I played the truck driving game some years ago now and for a time I thought about going back to it but I don't think I could handle the harassment.

Found your reference on the "Pay The Two Dollars" but it was a download that had to be purchased and not viewable online. You'd think footage from 1931 would be easier to come by...:D

Slojo
11-15-2013, 11:01 PM
After work today an impromptu stop at Brembo North America , Plymouth Michigan to investigate the possible merger of Brembo brake material and coaster brake hubs

The first person to greet me was Mike C. , he is a polite person genuinely interested in my project. At first he appeared a little distant until we spoke for several moments , he then had a better idea of what my intent was. We talked about mechanical loads on the driving face of the brake plate. While describing the forces he drew parallel to a motorcycle clutch plate, exactly. Mike understood the mechanism and was able to draw a parallel to another motorcycle item, the right guy.

We exchanged business cards and an email was sent to him further explaining my intent. Mike will forward this information to the appropriate department and they will decide if it is in Brembo's interest to become involved in the Twin M/C Cannonball project.

Brakes are critical especially when crossing mountain passes with elevation twice the distance to get a camel, for those who remember cigarette commercials or, for those who don't two miles high. This Twin must achieve equality or out perform the Ghost in most categories to be successful.

joe

Slojo
11-15-2013, 11:17 PM
The above photo is of Tony silver brazing the Twin frame together. Tony has been welding for me since 1981 he is excited about this project and being involved in such a bike build. The frame should require one maybe two more welding cessions to complete this phase of the project.

The log's roof is 99% with trim work and chimney flashing remaining to completion. What a project. Why do I always take the most difficult pass.

joe

Tom Lovejoy
12-15-2013, 09:12 PM
Come on Joe, I want to see an American belt drive make the Cannonball. I think your the only chance of that happening - so Come on Joe ! Just one of your many fans :-)

DEWGARINC
12-26-2013, 02:31 PM
I spoke with Joe a couple of days ago, he does NOT have any internet, and is working on getting another system! He wants everyone to know this and as soon as hes back online he will be posting again !!!!

c.o.
12-26-2013, 08:01 PM
I spoke with Joe a couple of days ago, he does NOT have any internet, and is working on getting another system! He wants everyone to know this and as soon as hes back online he will be posting again !!!!

Thanks for the FYI. I was wondering where he got to.

Slojo
01-20-2014, 08:59 AM
Finally back on line.

After several IP's attempts to get me on line Verizon wireless has succeeded. Details later.

joe

aka HAWG
01-20-2014, 07:51 PM
welcome back to the current slojo

aka HAWG

Slojo
01-20-2014, 09:19 PM
Its been three months since ATT converted my I.P. to U-VERSE . I.P. U-Verse didn't work well and I accidentally missed my second payment by three weeks. U-Verse suspended my Internet and would not turn it back on without a credit card account number. I asked U-Verse to quite my service and refund my money. They shut my service off and did not refund my payment. Getting back on line was near impossible.

The past two months focus was snow removal and staying warm. During this time working in the barn on the Twin was difficult so work has been focused on sealing the barn to hold in the heat instead of working on the Twin. Most of the progress on the Twin is on paper. New designs are nearly finalized upgrading the coaster brake hubs for safety, durability and braking performance.

The new coaster brake hub designs are all internal modifications to keep within the spirit of 1912. Accessing on line information is a requirement for research. Locating and choosing new bearings for the hubs to go along with the other internal modifications is reason for my immediate focus on getting back on line.

Also, on paper is my new "Godfather waltz" ...........

Much of my available time spent on redesign for safety performance and durability , working on the bike itself has not progressed beyond the now virtually finished frame rebuild and repairs.

joe

Slojo
01-20-2014, 09:33 PM
Sorry forgot to mention. My Shell station massacre in five part harmony was dismissed last week after five trips to court and a lot of paper work , research and of course un-productive wasted time. The court realized I was not going to default so the case was dismissed by the prosecutor whom realized he had no case at all.

joe

c.o.
01-20-2014, 10:12 PM
Glad to hear you're back on the interwebs again.... It's good to hear also, that "partial justice" was the outcome.

Slojo
01-22-2014, 09:25 PM
More computer I.P. failures. After several hours of on line issues a call placed to Verizon wireless turned up a problem on their end. With my computer running I found it convenient to research bearings and hub parts instead of going outside in the cold weather conditions. For Michigan it is brutal outside.

Bearings are near impossible , I am not turning up bearing dimensions that are ideal for the hub application.

Meanwhile a set of pistons are now ordered for a Knuckle motor in process right now. This is a motor I am building for a good friend . I hope to have it finished next month.

joe

Slojo
02-16-2014, 10:07 PM
The frame repairs have turned out great although more time with the welder will be required to finish that project. Speaking of welding I found a used carbide inserted drill in a box of tools. One of tonight's projects was to remove the broken 1/8" drill bit out of the coolant port in the back end of the inserted 7/8" drill . By Tig welding a steel rod to the back end of the broken drill bit followed by careful twisting and pulling removed the damaged tool from the coolant port. Yes me a welder .... not ... just lucky . Fortunately the broken drill bit was extracted with little trouble and the 7/8" drill worked for one of two drilling processes tonight (the other, a 1.5" drill).

Following an inspection on the front fork I concluded that it had been pulled together in the past. A quick method using a couple c-clamps enabled me to spread the fork blades parallel again with little effort.

Since the last report, focus on design improvements to the coaster brake hub and the Godfather waltz. These two design projects have kept me warm and occupied inside the cabin in front of the fire instead of working in the barn.

With design work completed progress can begin. Thread gauges are made , steel cut, program wrote, tooling setup and some machining has begun to the rear coaster brake hub. These hubs are expected to out perform the stock hub in skid power , safety and reliability. They will look identical to , and have many interchangeable parts with the original hubs.

c.o.
02-17-2014, 12:23 AM
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Slojo
02-21-2014, 06:32 PM
Yesterday Michigan had the most unusual storm occur. Heavy snow , blizzard conditions with WHAT! thunder storms yes including lightning . The state of the State is a mess , snow pilled up everywhere ice sheets and cold.

Last night a rear hub shell started taking shape . With designs , process machine tooled up and a program nearly sorted out a finished hub shell may be off the machine tonight. It will have identical characteristic as an original hub on the outside.

joe

c.o.
02-22-2014, 12:18 AM
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Slojo
02-23-2014, 10:50 PM
After a few months of design work the first of many parts manufactured , a rear coaster brake hub shell is finished with the first operation . Scraped , the part made to print. Problem is I made the print wrong , a .100" error on the milled slot length , .480" verses .380".

One hub shell finished to this point required two to three months of reverse engineering and redesign , material and bearing research , machine preparation and finally 32 minutes actual hands free machine time. There are two minor operations remaining to complete the hub shell.

Some fine tuning to the process and a few of these internally modified coaster bake hub shells will be run off while the machine is set up for this part.

joe

c.o.
02-23-2014, 11:18 PM
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rwm
02-25-2014, 06:08 PM
you may never see another for sale joe.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1912-Michigan-Motorcycle-License-Plate-in-Excellent-Condition-Mich-Mi-/321333091951?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad0f1de6f

Slojo
03-08-2014, 02:33 PM
3-8-14
Tomorrow , the pendulum accelerates ... another "cycle", escaping mother natures cold grip. Signs of spring , productivity around the corner. Frozen death , powdered water begins its metamorphic course , mercury takes a deep breath expanding above waters flat line for the first time in what appears like eternity. The bobsled track out front of the logs will become Niagara falls and in time a drive way may materialize , devastated from this man made global warming trend. Yes the sky is falling also.

Bike building progress has temporarily slowed and now is back on track. Frame repairs are complete other than fuel tank mounting holes on the top frame rail, the current oversized holes require plug welding , drilling and taping.

Coaster hub shells prove to be more of a challenge than anticipated. Pre heat treat super alloy steel prohibit short cuts in process. Tooling normally capable of common practice no longer deliver quality outcome in finish or tolerance. Re-tooling and programming of the rear hub became necessary. The front hub was easy , follow practice of the rear hub. The two hubs share many of the same design characteristics and dimensions.

Both front and rear hub shells have made it through first lathe process, a second lathe process is held up on the arrival of bearings, Tuesday. These hubs will be bullet proof. Bows , arrows and quivers need not apply (take note Indian riders).

The new rear hub design focus primarily on safety improvements and should out last and out perform original hubs without any outward modifications of the original rear hub design. The intention is to have a safe maintenance free coaster brake hub capable of skidding the rear wheel from moderate speed. The front hub is of my own design not replicating anything other than appearance of a stock hub. It will now have an internal brake with interchangeable parts from the rear hub.

joe

c.o.
03-10-2014, 12:25 AM
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Slojo
03-13-2014, 10:53 PM
Overwhelmed by large amounts of snow does have benefits. Being snowed in provides an opportunity to stay home, in the barn and focus on the 12. The past couple days have advanced work on front and rear coaster hubs and other sub assemblies like the seat and handlebars.

This bike will take shape as a "soft restoration" (Lonnie's description) . Unlike the Ghost this Evil one will see all the rejected, worn out and defective parts as well as my newly manufactured upgrades like the coasters, rims and tires. Anything available that is repairable and can go the distance will be used on this build. An attempt at originality versus remnufactured will be the focus (slim chance).

Original parts for a 1912 twin are at a premium if you can find them and shake them loose. A mid winter lead has me on the trail of some early items for this project. With the severity of winter a planed road trip in search of flattanker parts has been postponed until April. Hope its not just nuts and bolts.

joe

c.o.
03-14-2014, 12:45 AM
I guess snow does have it's benefits.... signs of spring are showing here.. I'm not holding my breath...

Slojo
03-14-2014, 09:42 PM
Cory has several photos to be posted of recent activities on the hub project. Also a right hand spiral twist grip that I would like to trade for left hand spiral twist grip if anyone has such an item laying around.

My seat has returned from Jethro Smith , he did a very nice nice job reupholstering the old half pan seat. Thank you Jethro.

Two sets of spokes in the photos are a recent find. They are ten gauge the entire length with half of them being NOS including correct style NOS nickel plated spoke nipples . If interested in doing the job, I intend to send the spokes to Buchanan's to be cut to length and rethreaded for use on the rear belt chive to clutch drum application.

The hub shells are near finished and illustrated in the following photos with a clam shell tool made to hold the hubs by the center body diameter for the next machining operation.

We saw forty eight degrees today and rapid snow melt down mainly in the drive way. This is good although weather predictions are more cold and snow on they way . We are breaking Michigan records and should reach all time new records for winter snow and cold in Michigan this season.

c.o.
03-14-2014, 11:00 PM
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Slojo
03-17-2014, 09:34 PM
Today temps. rose from four degrees this morning to the thirties by afternoon and we saw sunshine for a change.

I can feel a change in this build ,,,productivity I hope. With the final lathe set up complete, chuck jaws, programing and tooling in place the back side of both front and rear hubs are now complete. 18 hubs in all, eight front and ten rear. Perhaps some of these hubs will find their way onto future Cannonball bikes.

New tooling now in process for the final operation in my shop , spoke hole drilling on the back side spoke flange. Timing the spoke holes with the spoke holes on the opposite flange is easier in the mill than in the lathe so off to the machining center department .

Next the hubs will be sent out of my shop for wire EDM . this will be for the new design rotating brake plate drive dogs.

Conversations with Ken at Buchanan's has me sending spokes out tomorrow for evaluation . If they have the right thread dies , Buchanan may cut and re-roll threads on the old carbon steel spokes to be used on the freewheel clutch drum to belt sheave .

joe

c.o.
03-18-2014, 01:47 AM
Nice work!

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Tommo
03-18-2014, 03:09 AM
Joe,
I think I can help with several of your requests.
Do you mind giving me a P.M. with your telephone number and the best time to contact you and I'll give you a call.

marsh1915hd
03-18-2014, 09:53 PM
I have this early set. May be you can use them there just laying around like me. 1292812929

Slojo
03-24-2014, 08:29 PM
This is a bike building report not a weather report. Yet one cannot deny winters affects on bike building.

Michigan has broke and set many new weather related statistics dating back to the 1880's this season and just wont give up. This morning was ten degrees F . This afternoon , snow flurries again. My propane tank is down to fifteen percent and may not make it through the season . Five hundred gallon minimum at four dollars per gallon, you do the math. My drive way snow clearing and propane costs have exceeded seventy five hundred dollars, that could equate into a lot of cash for 1912 twin parts.

Front and rear hub shells are finished in my shop awaiting final brake plate design and a trip to the wire EDM shop. The left bearing carrier is in the machine now set up for operation two of three. The frame made a quick trip to the welder for gas tank mounting hole fill so I can re-drill and tap the newly filled holes. While at the welder we also filled three previously drilled holes on the full floating seat bar

Scored,,, 1912 plate , thanks Robby
Scored,,, One left one right spiral , thanks Terry
Waiting to here from Tommo ????
Where is Berry Brown? I put coolant in the machine and he has not commented yet. BERRY time to break the silence.

Did I mention the chrome plated handle bars purchased at Wauseon a couple years ago? They made the trip to the plating shop to have the chrome striped . Beneath the chrome was a fair coat of nickel remaining. The bars are a bit abused but will be good for the trip.

joe

fillibuster
03-24-2014, 09:01 PM
quote "Five hundred gallon minimum at four dollars per gallon,"
Joe, is there something complicated in the delivery? 500 gal minimum suggests that, or does the smallest truck carry that? Just seems pretty awful.
We've seen 2.50/gal but that's when the contracted amount has expired. We are still allowed extensions, depending on availability, but even after this cold winter we'e been able to extend a contract, at 1.89. Even tho it's been in the news, especially in wisconsin, 4 bucks ??
They're expecting you to take it, aren't they?

BigLakeBob
03-25-2014, 05:59 AM
quote "Five hundred gallon minimum at four dollars per gallon,"
Joe, is there something complicated in the delivery? 500 gal minimum suggests that, or does the smallest truck carry that? Just seems pretty awful.
We've seen 2.50/gal but that's when the contracted amount has expired. We are still allowed extensions, depending on availability, but even after this cold winter we'e been able to extend a contract, at 1.89. Even tho it's been in the news, especially in wisconsin, 4 bucks ??
They're expecting you to take it, aren't they?
$3.60 to $3.80 all winter here in OH, the last of Jan when it got real cold they rationed the propane and you could only get 30% of your tank that's when some companies charged $6 to $7 per gal. My company didn't raise price.

rbc
03-25-2014, 12:31 PM
They made the trip to the plating shop to have the chrome striped .
joe[/QUOTE]

Hi Joe. I live in Michigan too. Since Adams Plating in Lansing burned down I've been looking for a good plating shop. Can you recommend someone? Thanks.

Slojo
03-30-2014, 09:28 AM
They made the trip to the plating shop to have the chrome striped .
joe

Hi Joe. I live in Michigan too. Since Adams Plating in Lansing burned down I've been looking for a good plating shop. Can you recommend someone? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Try Classic Plating in Redford.

joe

Slojo
04-06-2014, 07:46 PM
Land Ho

Fifty five degrees today with sunshine defeating the snow line exposing the long lost ground and new Oak hatchlings (is that acceptable , hatchlings? seedlings?)

Business has been brisk so its also season to pay bills. In the evenings when not home late the Okuma turning center is busy spinning bearing carriers for the rear hubs. Left hand carriers are finished , right hand carriers are half complete and ready for the next operation. Once these hubs are completed the focus will shift to making individual parts that are required for this build and nothing else. Time has out run my comfortable productivity level.

Since last week I have been mostly idle clearing the latest virus being handed off around town, the usual sore throat sinuses and congestion.

Fired up the Ducati "Sport Tractor" and my little friend the Honda Ruckus last week , good to here them running again. The "Midnight Rider" , my black 48 Pan is still suffering from sidevalveitis and will not be repaired at least until after Cannonball .

Still looking for the following parts to trade or purchase.
1) a tool box oil tank combo ***URGENT*** (this is the first part installed when building an early Harley)
2) rear stand
3) twist grip with a left hand spiral
4) gear chest and cover
5) pedal crank parts
6) fuel tank, I forget which half.

joe

c.o.
04-08-2014, 01:40 AM
Sorry for the delay folks. I think we should go with seedlings....

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Slojo
04-12-2014, 08:39 PM
While waiting for the weather to break other issues have been eating away at my time. Chasing Parts!
This bike is in need of many items and they have been trickling in at a slow pace ("Trickle Down" bike building , often using previously rejected parts).

Oil tank / tool box , I have a remanufactured box ordered and an original box in the works. Fox twist grips arrived this week. My current focus is original seat parts . With a package of seat parts on its way from Pennsylvania, the seat assembly should be complete. I use a Messenger half pan seat attached to a sprung frame Troxel suspension . As far as comfort and suspension Its doubtful a better seat combo exists for this early bike application !

In stock , an original rear belt sheave and belt drive clutch drum , no spokes. Although , the original belt drum will not be used for this 2014 event due to time restraints (the shuffle to free it up from a wheel). I will be using one of my personally remanufactured belt drums from many years ago. Spokes always an issue in my builds, out of preference / aesthetics , carbon steel is all I will use so , one small problem exists....
Buchanan wheel specializes in stainless steel spokes and wheels and does not have in inventory the carbon steel required for my spoke needs.

Checking with an old friend turned up a stash of old spokes (light patina) and nipples (N.O.S.) to fit my exact application except the overall length of the spoke. After a conversation with a Buchanan representative and samples mailed Buchanan agreed to cut and re-thread the carbon steel spokes to the required length and thread pitch (40 TPI) for the clutch belt sheave assembly. The belt sheave spokes are one uniform diameter which simplified this conversion. A couple weeks later and I have the spokes in hand.

Meanwhile , pistons from CP came in a while ago for the 37 Knuckle motor currently in process. A trip today to my Cannonball teammate Chris's shop to hone the cylinders and after a washing they are ready for assembly..

Stay tuned ....

joe

c.o.
04-12-2014, 11:34 PM
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Slojo
04-13-2014, 09:44 PM
Bike building season was tough , now with outside weather up to 76F today and the shop door open for several hours the interior temperature raised to a balmy 51 degrees. Several stubborn mounds of snow still hanging around as a reminder of what we tolerated this past winter. Today's programing and machine work on the right bearing carrier for the rear hub have me one step closer to a complete hub assembly.

joe

Slojo
04-14-2014, 09:25 PM
A trip to Apollo EDM today to confirm their ability to burn an internal multi start thread for the operating device that shifts the hub from brake to pedal operation. Bob evaluated my sample part and confirmed their capability. Now its time to design the finished component with all the data and submit a print so they can make the carbon electrode to burn the internal form .

New arrivals, today from Pennsylvania Jerry sent most of the Troxel hardware necessary to complete my seating arraignment. Missing is the curved U shaped crossover brace used to maintain the spread of the seat hardware and as a handle to assist in lifting the bike onto the rear stand. Does anyone have one of these items?

Tomorrow it's off to Marks (Sparks) shop to use his optical comparator for geometry verification , gauging slowed production tonight.

joe

c.o.
04-16-2014, 01:45 AM
Well.... was the geometry verified?

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Slojo
04-16-2014, 10:20 PM
Weather report again , its worth a mention . 1882 Snow recored shattered in Michigan yesterday , 48 f in shop today.

Cory, Numbers add up !

New arrivals

1) Intake and exhaust valves arrived today they are beautiful. The Ghost uses titanium valves from Trick Titanium in Holt Michigan they take good care of me, in return I service their Okuma Turning centers

2) A road trip into Metro Detroit to pick up 60 pounds of Flexor forged steel bars. Enough steel to make four connecting rods where only one female rod is required. This material can be purchased from Pennsylvania Steel in Redford Michigan.

The Ghost used Quadco XR material for connecting rods and they work excellent. Quadco closed their doors a year ago so , Flexor is the best choice of material by specification I could find. A trip to Sun Steel for heat treat and tempering to bring the four bars up to 34 to 36 C Rockwell hardness.
Those who remember the Ghost rod set posts may recall my error overlooking inverting the Y axis (a button push) and subsequently scraping the female rod. This scrap piece (still on hand) will be reworked becoming a male rod for this Twin project.

The seat project is near completion , Nickel plating and paint on the seat frame and suspension hardware will have the seat finished.

Finally back on the Okuma Turning center to process R.H. bearing carriers. Tonight , one more operation completed with two remaining. Due to the close tolerance I must hold for bearing bores , extra operations have been added to remove all the steel (and internal stresses) prior to finishing the bores.

joe

c.o.
04-16-2014, 11:37 PM
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Slojo
04-19-2014, 10:16 PM
New arrivals.
1) The second original left hand spiral grip completing the handle bar assembly.
2) The seat crossover handle / brace appeared Friday.
3) Sun Steel treating called Friday, " your steel is ready for pickup" Sun also blasted it clean for handling.

The right hand bearing carrier for the rear hub is now complete and the Okuma is nearly set up for the next hub part, the internally splined coaster slide. It is difficult finding just the right device to generate friction in the hub to operate the slide so I may change my design slightly to allow for a different friction generator. The friction generator plays an important roll in braking and pedal starting processes. Without a positive acting friction generator the pedaling and braking will not function reliably.

Still dealing with cold weather, the shop was 40 degrees the last couple days while it warmed outside to the mid fifties today. The last of the snow disappeared finally time to celebrate.

joe

rwm
04-20-2014, 12:12 PM
. The last of the snow disappeared finally time to celebrate.

joe
i drove from rhinebeck ny to norwalk ct. on wensday. a lot of places had a fresh inch of snow. wtf.

c.o.
04-22-2014, 07:31 PM
Winter just wants to hang around this year.... drove through a beauty snow storm on the way home from work.... lovely...

Sorry for the less than timely photo posting!

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rwm
04-28-2014, 05:09 PM
stop the okuma and bar the door. anybody hear that big groan for oely this weekend? the redheaded step child (the evil twin) sat home while joe paraded around on his new canon ball ride. say it aint so joe.
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Slojo
04-28-2014, 07:35 PM
IT AINT SO Robby. Busted again (on the Pat Murphy Henderson) this time mixing with the enemy Mark Hill and the always pesky Wolfe Pack. It appears Mark has dedicated his life to developing an abundance of Detroit built Hendersons and those other brand X fours from Chi. Town in an attempt to prove their capable of keeping up with a certain little silent gray fellow by targeting my back. Good thing because that is where I would like to keep them.

Oley was another fine example that good parts are still waiting to be purchase for those all important projects. To bad flat tank Harley parts were slim to almost none and heavily priced. I did find a few trinkets, its always a good meet when you don't leave empty handed.

joe

c.o.
04-29-2014, 12:26 AM
It just doesn't look like you felt at home on it Joe...:D

Slojo
04-29-2014, 06:57 AM
Cory

How observant , actually the seat suspension had fallen apart and required some attention. Pat brought the Henderson for its first meet and it experienced a seat failure.

joe

Slojo
04-29-2014, 09:46 PM
While near completion of developing a new part program for the next hub part a wild lightning storm rolled in, juice everywhere. I don't take chances with my equipment in electrical storms so the best thing is to shut down for the evening. One good blast could cost way to much.

An order placed today for a Big Twin crank pin, Sportster big end rod races, rollers and cages . The crank pin over all length will get cut to a new length , new tapers ground and rethreaded to suite my application. Using a finished crank pin saves heat treat and finishing of the O.D. This is the same procedure used on the Ghost.

joe

c.o.
04-30-2014, 12:29 AM
Cory

How observant , actually the seat suspension had fallen apart and required some attention. Pat brought the Henderson for its first meet and it experienced a seat failure.

joe

So you're saying the experience was a pain in the a$$? Nice strategy with "keeping the enemy close".

I like a good lightning storm. That is, if it's followed by heavy rain. Forest fires suck. So would major machine equipment failure! You need some sort of steam powered, belt driven type backup!

Slojo
05-07-2014, 02:38 PM
Temporarily side tracked from the coaster project and redirected to cylinders and connecting rods.

The cylinders are a matched set by serial numbers and are original 1912 only cylinders. I acquired this set of cylinders not as a set but individually with several years between the acquisition . These cylinders are with standard bore and near perfect condition . The only flaw is a couple damaged fins and one cylinder is with a wrist pin grove worn in its bore. To get one of the cylinders I had to convince Danny (he loaned his 1914 twin during the Ghost build for reference) to extract the 1914 twin motor form his running bike, remove the 1912 cylinder and trade it for a 1914 cylinder (supplied by yours truly) to correct both of our bikes. Coming up with a 1914 cylinder was no easy task but accomplished !

After months of deliberation on cylinder repair a decision was made to TIG weld the wrist pin damage with silicon bronze. The damaged 1912 cylinder was sent out for repairing the wayward wrist pin damage. Process, preheat the cylinder to 500 degrees and run the weld, reheat and the burry it in floor dry for a slow cool down process. No pinging or cracks !

I can now cut the cylinders and get a finish bore size for ordering pistons.

Three days of machining and the connecting rods are near finished. Reused the scrap female rod (invert the Y axis, remember?) from the Ghost project to make a male rod for this Twin. Rod races , donor crank pin blank and bearings are on order and will halt the rod project just in time to get back on the cylinder and coaster processes.

Slojo
05-07-2014, 02:43 PM
Why does the edit function no longer work?

fillibuster
05-07-2014, 08:01 PM
Why does the edit function no longer work?

"Why does the edit function no longer work?" ..... edit/copy/paste off the top tool-bar? ... no? .... not what you meant.....

rwm
05-07-2014, 08:30 PM
Why does the edit function no longer work?

they national voted to move it to buzz's forum

Slojo
05-09-2014, 09:45 AM
After posting an article in the hazy evening hours a reread will turn up a misspell or grammar error. In the past this could be easily rectified within a day or so, now it is locked in. An edit function is displayed and editing is possible in the temporary file it just won't transfer to the permanent file that we all read from. HELP!

joe

Slojo
05-09-2014, 09:47 AM
"edit post" and "save" function aredisplayed and editing is possible in the temporary file it just won't transfer to the permanent file that we all read from. HELP!

Slojo
05-09-2014, 10:10 AM
The Monarch lathe was perspiring heavily yesterday and it wasn't even working hard. To much great weather to soon permitted into the shop , everything including the floor is wet and slippery from condensation. De-Humidifier season in Michigan is much better than heater season.

Five days into the connecting rod project, the rods are ready for steel shot penning .
Today the cylinders will be bored for clean up size validation in order to know what size pistons will be required. An order will be placed with CP pistons again as I know what to expect from their pistons as relates to clearances and durability.

Photos to follow if Cory is awake up their in the mountain country. Time is running down, an hour and a half has gone into preparing this article and photo down loading this morning. Finding and sorting photos after downloading is the greatest time waste. Brevity may be the key from now on.

joe

Slojo
05-10-2014, 10:55 AM
It appears Cory's email address has failed on the receiving end.
joe

Slojo
05-11-2014, 10:07 AM
While preparing for knucklehead action , organizing the many parts required to build a set of heads I also made tooling, a set up, and converted a boring program into an ID grinding program for processing the welded front cylinder on the Okuma . Okuma Jig Grinder???

An arbor made from hardened and ground piece of scrap tooling salvaged from the dumpster worked perfectly for mounting the grinding wheel. Next a fixture mounting plate to hold the cylinder in the machining center was made from an Okuma motor mount plate. Just proves old Okumas never die they just get re"cycled" , into motorcycle tools.

Excess weld material in the front cylinder was machined off using carbide tooling, lots of carbide tooling. The metallurgic make up of the cast iron combined with the silicon bronze (and possible tungsten from the TIG torch) caused carbide eating hard or abrasive spots while machining. Once close to size , grinding became the obvious answer to the problem.

Fellow Cannonballer Chris Price will finish hone these cylinders , damage to his honing tools will result if the weld is not cleaned up smooth with the bore. In this front cylinder the piston must have been reciprocating sideways with a twisted bent connecting rod for some time prior to the wrist pin destruction.

Front cylinder bore measured 3.307 at the bottom of the stroke where the least amount of wear takes place. An unusual wear pattern required excess valuable material to be ground out of the cylinder bore. End result, finish bore size grew to 3.334" nearly .030" over bore. The rear cylinder may get a smaller piston if it cleans up early in the process.


On to the next problem, the finished cylinder had an issue where the bore meets the open combustion chamber . Either casting shift or qualifying of the cylinder during OEM manufacturing caused for the bore to terminate into a shoulder where their should be an opening larger than the bore.

Blind hole cylinders are difficult for this reason alone. A 5/8" carbide burr and a six inch extension mounted in a slow spinning drill motor made quick work of the problem easily cutting away minimal material for hone clearance.

joe

Slojo
05-13-2014, 10:59 PM
The rear cylinder bore cleaned up much sooner than the front cylinder, clean size is 3.326" rear 3.334" front. The next decision is weather to match the bores or run two different size pistons. With the scarcity of matching 1912 cylinders mismatch pistons sounds just fine even if it is only .008" . A call to CP pistons will determine final bore sizes. The finished bore size is ultimately determined by the ring manufacturer.

Last night was a late night programing setting up and making three prototype coaster parts on the Okuma . Once completed with that task a trip to the spring shop was scheduled.

Off to the spring shop for a spring curling marathon to accompany the coaster part of the coaster hub. These compression springs (.03 wire,7/32 OD X 3/8 long) will be part of the friction device that assist the coaster to slide left,right. Bill twisted the springs faster than Timothy Leary can twist up a .......oh slipped . Another fine job by the guys at McGuire spring.

Afterward a trip to the east side to see a customer , followed by a trip to the shot peen shop where my connecting rod set was treated to stress relieving surface shot blast.

Rod races , bearings , cages , and a modifiable big twin crank pin ordered and should be in next week . Many of the motor parts are coming together while working on the coaster hubs. Careful preparation of all the pats should cause for an assembly marathon in the not so distant future .

On to the other project, Knucklehead heads are troubling. I have late model rocker tins and need the early style that have the offset to clear the rabbit ears casting shoulder. A set my have been located , stay tuned.....

joe

Slojo
05-15-2014, 03:12 PM
A trip to Lyndon Fabricating to pick up some 1/8" cold rolled steel for fabricating belt tensioned parts followed by a run to a new welding source in closer proximity to headquarters. While at Lyndon Fab. they sheered and bent plate steel for my belt tensioned bracket. Belt drive twin tanks are non existent and chain drive tanks are without the brackets required for a belt tensioning ratchet plate. I fabricate a bracket that picks up of the top motor mount and holds the ratchet device along side the left gas tank.

Wendell Turned a local custom bike builder and friend happened to be at Starlight Welding when I rolled in . Wendell introduced me to Starlight's Andy , a polite , easy going personality. After conversation with Andy I left my cylinder behind to have a large cooling fin welded and a repair to the cracked exposed portion of the valve guide.

A couple hours later the cylinder was ready for pick up. Welders are worth their weight in gold, fortunately a much better deal was had than paying pound for pound in gold to get my work done professionally.
Thank you Andy.

The next cylinder process is to have them stress relieved prior to finish honing .

Back to the barn for some quality machine time where coaster brakes are still the focus and will remain so for a while. I am down to making two primary parts for the rear hub and some secondary parts to follow. The coaster device with its new design friction generator works perfectly and should not be a problem unlike the original coaster device. This is an important device, if it malfunctions brake function and pedal starting becomes impossible the pedals spin freely in both directions. Without pedal engagement...... fun ceases.

Side note, Knucklehead parts are on order for the 37 motor project now in process.

joe

BigLakeBob
05-15-2014, 04:03 PM
Keep posting, still enjoying your progress. You must never sleep.

Slojo
05-19-2014, 10:55 PM
Well greezy bikers, finally a long anticipated road trip of 1200 miles round consumed my weekend . Purpose, parts chase. This trip was first attempted in November or December but canceled, snowed out.

With a friend at the wheel we traveled to parts unknown in search of those elusive missing items for each of our projects, mine, parts for this twin. After a day of digging through a personal collection of parts the twin gets an original 1912 rear stand , a decompression / spark control drag link , one good inner and outer control cable and cable nut assembly , complete belt tensioning assembly , two sets of early spokes including nipples , a 23 inch clincher rim with ...count em.... 40 punched spoke holes and some miscellaneous small bits.

Forty spoke hole 23 inch rims are rare rims that for production Harleys were used exclusively on the rear of 1912 twins , they were also found on Board Trackers the latter with safety wire tided and soldered spoke crossings . Typically 1912 and earlier 23 inch rims are 36 spoke holes and 1913 and latter 22 inch rims are 40 spoke holes. This excellent condition 23 inch rim will not be used for Cannonball service but will supplement the twin for after Cannonball activities where a switch of wheels returns the bike to authentic chassis condition. Yes, for Cannonball the chassis will be stock excluding brakes tires and rims.

Back in the shop anther hub piece is in the machine, set up and first part run off. This time an internal brake anchor, it is a modified from original item and is part of the incorporated braking safety. Back on the job today an early finish with a customer sent me off to the east side , Apollo EDM.

Apollo will do work that will be instrumental in the coaster . Left behind with Apollo are fourteen coaster shifter sliders to be EDM (electrical discharge machine) for an internal multi start thread lead . This EDM process typically would be broached in a production situation. More on that latter.

joe

Slojo
05-21-2014, 10:17 PM
Wasn't up to cranking out hub parts tonight so , fired up the Bridgeport mill and the Parker Majestic surface grinder for work on the modified / welded belt tensioning lever. New for 1912 the Freewheel clutch with hand lever operation. Harley underestimated the force on the belt tensioning hand lever resulting in lever failure . 1913 brought on wider stock for the lever. The twin will get the correct for 1912 lever with reinforcements in critical areas adjacent the drilled holes where friction and pivot points are located.

USPS lady arrived this afternoon with two packages. One package , a set of Jeff Willis pedal cranks and eccentric crank carrier . Jeff a long time friend and sponsor of both my cannonball builds has provided me with quality castings for many years. Jeff produces many type of castings for our antique mtorcycles and can be found in the club membership roster , Ohio section.

Also from the mail lady came a package from Molalla Oregon's Jethro Smith. Jethro has been instrumental in this bike , he has restored the seat and now built an oil tank / tool box combo. for the twin. Once again Jethro has provided a quality product . Thank you Jeff and Jethro.

Finally a rare delivery by store manager of Production Tool following a shipping error sending my package to a wrong location. Production Tool supplies me with many items , this time cutting tools for machine work on the outside of a exhaust valve guide of one of the cylinders where damage was repaired by welder Andy..

Does anybody know where Cory is?

joe

Slojo
05-27-2014, 07:49 PM
Wow three months remaining until Cannonball and painting , plating , or assembly have not begun .... yet. To compound matters this damn computer keeps locking up , losing unpublished posts , sorry.

Pedal crank and eccentric parts machined over the weekend , tough steel. If the bike falls over on the side walk the pedal crank won't yield to the pressure , the side walk will break.

Speaking of break , taking a break from the hub project temporarily to stir up parts in preparation for coatings. Parts must be assembly ready prior to sending out for plating. Painting might be an in house affair on this bike although to move forward my painter may be brought in , more hands on deck will probably win out. Remember this is not an all out restoration, many damaged rusty banged up parts are being used on this flat tanker.

The hub project has consumed more time than I imagined. From conception to completion more time will be spent on the front and rear hubs than anything else in this build or the previous Gray Ghost build combined .

Signing off for now before this computer locks up again .

joe

rwm
05-27-2014, 08:49 PM
joe, is the color the same for your 12 twin as an 11 single? if so please share the paint code with eric (2cam) he is ready to paint his 11 and needs help.

Slojo
06-02-2014, 09:30 PM
Rob

On this build the paint supplier botched the blend and has been tinting it for the past month to correct his error . Currently the primary gray has a tan hue , not good. Harley's gray paint is most likely a blend of two primary pigments "lamp black" (blue shade black) and white with a minute amount of blue tinting to get the desired shade.

The current blender most likely mixed my gray paint with primarily "carbon black" pigment (yellow shade black) and white resulting in the "tan" hue gray. He has re-tinted several times to achieve a match from a 1912 / 1913 tank back side where the UV light has not affected it's original paint.

These two black pigments have been in use for more time than my source can account for. My brother John (source) has 30 years experience as a color matching guru. specializing in field and in house tinting / matching paint pigment for the automotive industry. Lesson , should have had John mix the paint.

A while back on this forum the color of Harley's striping was a hot topic. I was brought into the fray and asked my opinion (we all have one) of the true color of Harley's early striping . I claimed the large stripe as a slate gray blue strip. Gray is the color choice of some of the researched people and the other guys typically use blue. I stand on the gray blue due to the pigments available, "Lamp black" has a natural blue hue in it and as pigments fade difficult arise for anyone to be absolute on this color shade.

When I built the Ghost the paint tinter re-tinted the dark gray blue striping paint several times to get away from the predominate blue of his original mix based on the same original paint fuel tank. The result is still more blue than I desired.

Back to the Twin, Hub parts are still the primary focus but many other items are materializing and being repaired , welded and machined into a usable form. I thought of posting several photos tonight as Cory is still on board but to much time was dedicated to the righting this article , the photos will have to wait.

joe

Slojo
06-09-2014, 10:19 PM
Spending time at Bruce's shop bending pipes. Bruce a friend and fellow motorcyclist owns a tube bending shop and is pitching in on this build with new exhaust head pipes for the twin. Bruce's pipes should be spot on, already his rear head pipe has the best offset of any remanufactured pipes I have seen.

Bruce picked up data from an original set of pipes off the 13 twin I raced at Barber last year. We tested his prototype pipes on the 12 Twins mocked up motor , frame , muffler combination , close..... The rear head pipe has a peculiar offset to clear the cam chest , the front head pipe has the reverse bend rotated at the lower end ahead of the muffler Y pipe.

Most of my time is still spent on the Okuma making parts. The rear hub needs special threading tools for the coaster device since $3400 dollars is out of my reach for the EDM sinker . The front hub is also nearly finished, it will be fully serviceable virtually without tools. The hub shells will be wire EDM cut for the brake plates , the wire price should be easier to handle.

Back to McGuire Spring shop today for wire snap rings to hold the front hub assembly together. Ron wound 15 turns to cut 15 wire snap rings out of the music wire.

Computer failures are adding up its time may be near..... Three and a half hours to send seven scanned copied documents and write this article , not productive. On line problems continue with Verision wireless.

joe

BoschZEV
06-10-2014, 12:00 AM
Not that you could be feeling any pressure, but the Cannonball starts in only another ~10 weeks and it's not clear from your recent updates how close you are to having an operating motorcycle. How many more hours of work do you estimate it will take to have your bike all together and ready for the first road test?

Slojo
06-24-2014, 06:56 AM
Yes I am still working on the Twin every day. Posts have been missing due to constant computer issues , several posting attempts have crashed prior to hitting the send button. Parts are arriving and being made on a daily basis. The hub project is looking good and now down to brake plates and actuating cam and worm devices.

Today I will be picking up finished exhaust pipes and working on the front hub cam , after the customer base is satisfied first. After all, still have to go to work to pay for this flurry of activity.

joe

rwm
08-24-2014, 02:23 PM
6/24/14. 7/24/14 8/24/14 and now 10

Tom Lovejoy
08-24-2014, 09:46 PM
I just read on face book that Joe is out this year, hope that's not the case - cause, I really wanted to see that belt drive make the run. Thought if anyone could it would be Joe to do it.

frichie68
09-05-2014, 08:44 AM
I just read on face book that Joe is out this year, hope that's not the case - cause, I really wanted to see that belt drive make the run. Thought if anyone could it would be Joe to do it.

Is there an update? What happened?

frichie68
09-09-2014, 10:50 AM
What happened to Slojo?