36 four oil filter help

[Indiantim]

Hi all,

Any sources for an oil filter kit that does not entail drilling the crank cases? I seem to remember some one did a kit that used the timing cover

best wishes

[D.A.Bagin]

Check with T-Bone on this or caimag.com forum. He is presently doing a 36 with the oil filter set-up you are speaking of. If all else fails pm me and I'll send his number. Call 9-5pm US central time Mon-Fri.

[Tom Wilcock]

I made an oil filter assembly for my 440 in 1978 with the oil lines coming out the timing cover because I could not bring myself to drilling the cases. I remember Dick Davies taking pictures and measurements of it. He later came out with a kit. I don't know if his kits are still available. Tom Wilcock AMCA #381

[D.A.Bagin]

I also have Dick's son Roy's phone if you need it.

[PRG]

Howdy Tim,

Pan details of the type you speak of depicted below. This is the final version once made by Jeff Hiatt which had right angle fittings on the timing cover for easier routing of the filter hoses to the side. Mark Hill bought out all of his equipment and may still sell these kits.

You see more shots of its install on my 441 here (http://www.patwilliamsracing.com/1941indianfour/).

http://www.patwilliamsracing.com/1941indianfour/indianfour29.jpg

[retiredsfcroy]

I think I still one kit ready to use. You can email me at retiredsfcroy@yahoo.com

[Indiantim]

What a great club, thanks guys for all your help

[PRG]

Howdy Chaps,

There was a discussion on this topic at caimag awhile back, for those not having seen it or familiar with these kits, here's a brief photo overview. The first gen of this type had simple copper tubing portruding through the timing cover (photo 3) which required a bit of a larger radius bend for the hoses to the filter to keep them from collapsing. I made copper lines to rectify this. But, the big drawback was one could not remove their timing cover with the motor in the frame. Photo 4 shows the side view. Once the filter was mounted it could be swung up out of the way right up against the cases. Photo 2 shows the revised timing cover fitting arrangement on gen II kits, not only with more secure mountings to the cover but using right angle fittings (photo 1) for a tidier hose routing shown in photo 5.

These kits came with a very small filter (100 series in a Mobil 1). Any accumulation of carbon in the oil leads to restriction and they start to whine. I'd suggest upgrading to the longer 110 as fitted to late model Mazda RX-7's.

[Tom Wilcock]

At last I found the picture of the internal plumbing for the oil filter I installed on my 440. The timing cover can be removed without disturbing it. I made the filter head to accept a small GM spin on oil filter. The assembly is attached to the center 4 top screws for the timing cover and when installed it clears the bottom frame cross tube by 3/4 inch, just enough to spin off the filter without disturbing anything. Tom Wilcock #3817752

[partshunt]

I am also interested in fitting a remote oil filter to my 29 Four. I understand R Robinson ended up with Jeff Hiatts filter produceing equiptment but as of yet, is not makeing any. I wonder if Tom could look up the part number of the GM filter or what engine GM used it on, year and model to help the parts guy look it up....Joe

[Tom Wilcock]

Joe: The Fram number of the filter I use is PH3387A. It was used on many GM models with V6 and V8 engines from the early 80's to mid 90's and possibly right to the present. It does not have a built in bypass. I put a bypass circuit in the filter head I made. I believe the Chrysler filter of similar size has a bypass arrangement built in. Tom AMCA#381

[partshunt]

Howdy Chaps,

There was a discussion on this topic at caimag awhile back, for those not having seen it or familiar with these kits, here's a brief photo overview. The first gen of this type had simple copper tubing portruding through the timing cover (photo 3) which required a bit of a larger radius bend for the hoses to the filter to keep them from collapsing. I made copper lines to rectify this. But, the big drawback was one could not remove their timing cover with the motor in the frame. Photo 4 shows the side view. Once the filter was mounted it could be swung up out of the way right up against the cases. Photo 2 shows the revised timing cover fitting arrangement on gen II kits, not only with more secure mountings to the cover but using right angle fittings (photo 1) for a tidier hose routing shown in photo 5.

These kits came with a very small filter (100 series in a Mobil 1). Any accumulation of carbon in the oil leads to restriction and they start to whine. I'd suggest upgrading to the longer 110 as fitted to late model Mazda RX-7's.

Hello Peter:- Where did you get that filter assembly, Mazda RX-7 parts dealership? Looks like a logo on it, Ellatt or what brand? Any numbers for it so we could possibly aquire one of them critters? Thanks...Joe

[PRG]

Howdy Joe,

That's Jeff Hiatt's logo engraved on the assembly along with in/out labels for the hoses, this kit which from above posts I gather may now be available from Robbie(?). I'll wrestle my 441 out and take some better pics of it mounted as it is a very sanitary setup.

When changing that Amsoil filter after fitment, I went to what's worked well with my 440 which is the Mobil 1 filter sourced from Autozone for which the RX 7 is just one application. When Googling the 100 series, I found out about the slightly longer 110 on the Rx-7 forum, thus the reference made to that.

[Red Fred]

I remember a Swiss 4our owner utilizing a completely hidden, full flow filter on his 4ours. Peter R. used a modern Japanese bike cartridge inside the engine, accesable via the front timing cover. There was NO external evidence of his conversion what so ever, yet it offered complete, full flow filtration.
I've serviced my timing gears (I have adjustable spindles on my gears for timing), and it really isn't that big a deal to access the inside via the tin cover.
Just a thought, RF.

[partshunt]

Howdy Joe,

That's Jeff Hiatt's logo engraved on the assembly along with in/out labels for the hoses, this kit which from above posts I gather may now be available from Robbie(?). I'll wrestle my 441 out and take some better pics of it mounted as it is a very sanitary setup.

When changing that Amsoil filter after fitment, I went to what's worked well with my 440 which is the Mobil 1 filter sourced from Autozone for which the RX 7 is just one application. When Googling the 100 series, I found out about the slightly longer 110 on the Rx-7 forum, thus the reference made to that.

Thanks Peter. I should have figured that one, but some logos are pretty hard to savy. Hiatt of course. I messaged Robbie last summer and he has not at that time set up to do filters. hopefully in the near future but its tough to invest in something like that if sales dont exheed losses. Pics and details of your set up would be very apreciated. Saveing all the info I can find in a file, for the day I tear into the remote filter installation. My engine almost self destructed with aluminum debris when I blew a piston last summer. I had/have Michael Breedings magnetic drain plugs everywhere as well as a large mechanics magnet in the filter screen, useless for picking up aluminum tho. Just cant win...........Joe

[PRG]

Howdy chaps,

TheRedFredster! Nothing liking tantalizing us with no pics...shall we ever see some of this holy grail setup? It's the external oil filter thing alone that stands between me and saying this 44 (http://www.patwilliamsracing.com/1941indianfour/)1 could ever be AMCA judged (with a straight face) when my descendants go to sell it. I'm trying to envision where it'd go, maybe to the right side of the timing gears at the case seam level and with the housing set back inside of the motor with the head of the filter nearly abutting the inside of the cover? From a packaging standpoint, I'll mention that the first Hiatts in an effort to be discreet used a NASCAR fuel filter. Like a blue anodized cigar, these utilized a tubular stainless screen that varied in the size of the perforated holes according to the degree of filtration desired. No, you won't have the degree of filtration of an oil filter but it would save your motor from metal crumbs. The drawback? No bypass. And as a well worn rich running Four can produce alot of sludge, these filters required a little too close monitoring for most owners.

Joe, I imagine you might have been running some heavy single weight oil at the time? Like the Palmolive commercial of our youths wherein the pearl sank slowly to the bottom to demonstrate the thickness of their product, when I switched from heavy singles to 20-50 far less tranny effluence made it forward to the sump pickup....which understandably doesn't correlate to loosing a aluminum piston where all it has to do is drop straight down and those particles settling much more slowly.

[partshunt]

Peter:- I am running 15-50 Amsoil Raceing with high ZDDP content. That oil was researched a coupla years back and that Amsoil was chosen after all the discussions on these forums. I suspect a porouse casting since the other three pistons come out in perfect condition and are now back in the engine and running. Clearance on the skirts is .006" and no scuffed piston skirts present. Aprox 3000 miles on the engine and I could not find evidence of any lean conditions. All I can do now is run it further and inspect the piston tops once in a while, like every 500 miles or so. I have pics of the failed piston if you want to see them......Joe