Sportster aluminum rim

[jim d]

I have a 1964 XLCH that I would like to restore using the optional aluminum rims. Because the rims were pre safety bead all of the ones that I recall used screws to help secure the tire in case of slipping on the rim or possible flats. I think they would tear the vale stem off under hard acceleration and burnouts. The screws are not in the parts books and I think that they were a dealer installed safety item.For a correct restoration should I fill the holes or put the screws back in? I will need to know how this will be viewed by judges before I can complete the wheels.
Thanks Jim D

[Rub]

Jim D,
The screws were only in the rear rim on street models. the racers are a different story. And they are factory drilled, not dealer drilled. I have a couple of NOS rims with the holes in them. The even have a small milled flat for the head of the screw. There should not be any question from the judges on them.
Perhaps some of the Sportster guys know the time frame of their use. Murph?
Robbie

[Chris Haynes]

Thanks Robbie, I had always wondered about that.

[murph]

Well, I never like to comment on such trivia questions because there is always someone who knows more about these things. My opinion is that the screws didn't start in the rim until later in the sixties, I'll say 1968. So I think 64 rims had no screws. Don't take that to the bank though. Hope this is useful guide.

[junkyarddog]

I've never owned an early Sportster. I bought a new 71 XLH & a new 72 XLH both with aluminum rims. Neither had screws.
Jim

[Rub]

OK, I went back and researched this. The screws were standard from '67 to '69 on both XLH and XLCH with aluminum rear rim. The part number is 1440W and it is a 10-3/8 self tapping screw. So apparently any earlier applications ar dealer or owner mods and the NOS pre-drilled rims i have must have not been available until then.
Robbie

[Rub]

Default I've never owned an early Sportster. I bought a new 71 XLH & a new 72 XLH both with aluminum rims. Neither had screws.
Jim,
The later ('70 up) deep drop center Borrani rims are a different animal and never had screws.
Robbie

[jim d]

Thank you for the information on the rim. The rim I have must have been on a later bike. My XLCH is very original with a very old spray bomb paint job over the original paint. It has the chrome rims on from new but they need plated, so I located two aluminum rims with the correct part #. If my memory is correct the screws were a stainless pan head.

[Robert Luland]

I have 64 dated aluminum bat rims on my 65 XLCH. Are the screws really necessary if your not doing burn outs? Bob L

[jim d]

Bob L
That is a good question.When I spoke to Bob Buchanan from Buchaanan's Spoke & Rim he thought that the old aluminum rims from then were smaller .in dia. where the bead sets on the rim. He thought Goodyear had made a special tire and that the screws were a fix for the tires of other brands with slightly difference specs used as replacements later.
Jim D

[Rub]

Bob L
That is a good question.When I spoke to Bob Buchanan from Buchaanan's Spoke & Rim he thought that the old aluminum rims from then were smaller .in dia. where the bead sets on the rim. He thought Goodyear had made a special tire and that the screws were a fix for the tires of other brands with slightly difference specs used as replacements later.
Jim D
That sounds like a mix of two issues, The Special Goodyear tires were for the odd bead profile on '70s era H-Ds. There are service bulletins on that. The rim profile of the earlier Borrani rims are the same as any other rim of the era. And those rims are not unique to H-D. Borrani supplied rims for both Moto Guzzi and Ducati in the exact same profiles and neither of those brands ever used screws. A 750SS put lots more on the ground than a Sportster! They also supplied to the general aftermarket as well as many other brands and models. Plus an untold number of flattrackers, many which did not use screws. I think the screw deal had to do more with American Lawyers than any other issue. JMHO
Robbie

[Blupacer]

Bought a 1967 XLCH new and it had screws in rear only. Restored a 1966 XLCH in 2000, changed out steel wheels for aluminum rims because they look so COOL.

Steve

[Bill Pedalino]

My (then) original 1964 XLCH did have the screws in the rear wheel. By the way - do any of you have a '64 18" aluminum rear rim for sale? I'm now restoring that same bike and I really need to replace the one that I gave away in 1969....

[koanes]

I think I have one Bill. Trouble is I'm going to have to buy some snow shoes to get to the storage. I'll see what I can do.

[Bill Pedalino]

Thanks kyle. Don't catch pnemonia looking for it. Just let me know at your convenience. You can 'Personal Message' me whenever you find it.

[koanes]

Bill, Found the wheel, sent PM.

[koanes]

Robbie, What is the part number on your rims? I'm not sure when the number changed on the rim. Factory parts manuals for Sportsters have always been difficult.

[Rub]

Kyle, The part numbers on the rims are as follows. They are not necessarily the numbers in the parts books, sort of like casting numbers versurs part numbers:
43008-60 18" rear '60-'69 Some of these are factory drilled for bead lock screws
43009-60 18" front '60-'63
43010-60 19" front '60-'63
43009-64 18" front '64-'69
43010-64 19" front '63-'69
43010-61R 19" F&R Racing models with spool hub
43000-64 18" F&R Trail kit for Scat. This one is 36 hole
I can photograph any of them if you like except the Trail Kit one.
Robbie

[Bill Pedalino]

Kyle,

I did not receive your PM - please re-send...

Bill

[koanes]

This is what I got from a quick search through my factory parts manuals. The 57-67 manual shows 43009-60 front wheel fit 60-63, and 43009-64 for 64-67 fit. The wheel I have, factory drilled and countersunk has the 43009-60 part number. The 59-69 supplement catalog shows part number 42999-60 fits to the rear 60-65. The 57-67 catalog shows 43008-60 to fit 60-65 rear.
Bill, as I gather from the catalogs the wheel I have is not correct for you. I have some other 18 and 19" aluminum rims, but none are drilled.

[VPH-D]

My -63 parts book shows 43008-60 for 60-* H & CH.
MY -71 parts book shows 42999-60 for 60-* H & CH.
The -71 book shows the screws are for 67-69 H & CH.
This indicates some kind of change in rear rims after 1964.

I have an 18" rim marked WM X 18" 43008-60. It has 4 screw holes, which have a small semi-circular relief for the screw head on the rim's outer edge. This rim is approx. 2 7/8" wide, and the stem hole is slightly oval.

I also have an 18" rim marked 250 C 18" 43008/70 above the round stem hole, and MADE IN ITALY below the hole. The puntuation marks for the inch indicator are backwards, and it uses a slash instead of a hyphen for the year marking. This rim is noticably heavier and more deep than the first rim. This rim measures 3 7/16 wide.
VPH-D

[Bill Pedalino]

From what I'm seeing in my parts books and in the field is that I need Rim No. 43008-60 for my '64 CH. As my '64 originally came with the bead-lock screws, I would use either rim - with or without the screws. I Looked all over Rhinebeck yesterday and did not find one. Anybody have one for sale, or possibly know somebody that may have one?

[dlxl66elxl]

The screws were used from 67 to 69 with the Goodyear All Traction tire. The alloy rims from 60 to 66 with the Grasshopper did not have screws.