1914 racing yardlong limited copies now available [Archive]

Barry Brown

10-12-2010, 07:56 AM

AFTER MUCH THOUGHT AND CAJOLING I AM OFFERING 10 ONLY 16" X 66" ULTRA HIGH QUALITY PRINTS ON SPECIAL GERMAN PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER. THEY ARE NUMBERED AND SIGNED . NUMBERS 1 AND 2 ARE ALREADY SOLD. TENTATIVE PRICE WILL BE $1500 WHICH INCLUDES WORLDWIDE EXPEDITED DELIVERY. THIS IS THE BEST YARDLONG I HAVE EVER SEEN. IT SHOWS HARLEY RACER LACY CROILIUS SNOOPING AROUND AMONGST THE FACTORY EXCELSIORS WITH GOUDY AND PERRY AND CREW AS WELL AS GENE WALKER ON HIS 8 VALVE INDIAN AND NON OTHER THAN A CYCLONE ON THE STARTING LINE. BELIEVED TO BE JUNE 1914 MILWAUKEE.
EMAIL ME TO RESERVE YOURS oldmill@kingston.net thanks, Barry
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_motorcycles/5075189422/" title="P1200572 by Bruffsup, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5075189422_c09e9c5ba0_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1200572" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_motorcycles/5074592391/" title="P1200573 by Bruffsup, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5074592391_50c2cbf238_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1200573" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_motorcycles/5075192146/" title="P1200574 by Bruffsup, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/5075192146_0f7ef78514_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1200574" /></a>

Red Fred

10-12-2010, 11:02 PM

Cool stuff Barry,
You gotta come out West and visit the SFMC, where we have a bunch of 4 footers. We just re-inacted one from a 1914 outing on Pismo Beach with the Pismo Club (who are still in existance also). We had 1000 people on the beach for another 4 footer, just a few weeks ago!!!!!!!!!! I think we may even have a 6 footer. I'll have to measure it on Thursday, as we hold meetings open to the public every Thursday.
We gotta real live V-Twin Curtiss in captivity also. Hell, I'll even buy you a drink!
Yers, RF.

Barry Brown

10-13-2010, 08:08 AM

sounds great Fred. Maybe I'll ride my 27 Hen out there in next years Cannonball

Red Fred

10-13-2010, 11:08 AM

why wait until then? You could ride it out now, and fly home. I'll tend to it here for ya, and you'll always have a bike on the left Coast! Frees up some storage on your end too! Honest! Think about it. It's what I do. Saves a lot of time in your travels also. We call it the fly & ride program.
Then you could see all the neat stuff we have in the SFMC clubhouse, not to mention all the wierdos that end up in SF here (from all parts East of us).
RF.

Barry Brown

10-13-2010, 11:32 AM

that is a great idea Fred. The only stumbling block is that I have been waiting a few years now for the Hen mains to be line bored. maybe another bike would be better. what is the "ideal California bike" ?
if there is such a thing. the vision that always springs to my brain is that twisty highway along the coast, maybe one of my cammy Nortons would be a good candidate, do you allow Limeys on the Indian reservation?

rwm

10-13-2010, 07:04 PM

barry what is the bike with sideways crank case in the photo above?

Barry Brown

10-13-2010, 07:28 PM

the picture shows both professional and the amateurs. I believe the bike you are referring to next to the Cyclone is a two stroke Cleveland but I could be wrong as the lettering is illegible. There are 2 of these shown in between the two stroke Indians and Excelsiors.

sveger

10-13-2010, 09:34 PM

Its a Cleveland indeed, tough I wonder whatever a guy trying to compete in racing with a Cleveland was up to? I know them as some really slow little machines with some odd engineering inside the engine to get the power from the cranck to the gearbox. As Cleveland started with motorbikes in 1915 I would rather think the photo is from 16 or 17?

Sverre
AMcN
http://AmericanMotorcyclesNorway.blogspot.com

Chris Haynes

10-14-2010, 09:07 PM

Being as you have no commas and decimal points in your price, is it a great price of $15.00, a fair price of $150.00 or a ripoff of $1,500.00?

Mr. Big

10-14-2010, 10:10 PM

Thanks Chris, I thought I was the only one.....

Barry Brown

10-15-2010, 07:53 AM

Being as you have no commas and decimal points in your price, is it a great price of $15.00, a fair price of $150.00 or a ripoff of $1,500.00?

Chris, Thanks for your astute commentary. You must have gone to grammar school. Since you appear to be impecunious I'll let you have one for $1,499.00 The way the US dollar is going I may have to change the asking price to yuan. By the way , Walmart does not sell these.

45OZ

10-15-2010, 07:57 AM

What actually is "SPECIAL GERMAN PHOTOGRAPHIC PAPER " as opposed to Kodak Special Photographic Paper ?

Mr. Big

10-15-2010, 04:39 PM

"Impecunious"? Now THAT is a 1500 dollar word if I ever saw one.......

silentgreyfello

10-15-2010, 08:36 PM

killer photo!!!!!!!

Barry Brown

10-15-2010, 08:52 PM

I had what is probably the best photographic house in Canada do these prints. The guy told me he can only get the top quality paper from Germany . He has an amazing setup and I was duly impressed so I entrusted the job to him. The results are impressive.
I know it probably seems outrageous but I have sold 2 already at that price and the last time I checked we were still in a capitalist system. I have plenty of other yardlongs I would be happy to copy and sell for considerably less but none of them hold a candle to this one. If you are a student of motorcycling history ( I thought we all were here) show me another more interesting race photo with such clarity and intrigue and details never before seen. I showed this to Dan Statnekov and he was blown away.
For those of you who are flummoxed by big words like Mr Big ( great name, easy to spell) I first encountered the word impecunious in a famous motorcycling history book written by a famous Californian motorcycling history authority . He would have loved this yardlong but he is sadly not with us anymore.

Chris Haynes

10-15-2010, 10:02 PM

Chris, Thanks for your astute commentary. You must have gone to grammar school. Since you appear to be impecunious I'll let you have one for $1,499.00 The way the US dollar is going I may have to change the asking price to yuan. By the way , Walmart does not sell these.

Your $1,500.00 price for a copy photo is simply nothing but a rip off. A$$hole$ like you who gouge people should not be allowed on these boards. That is simply my grammar school opinion. It is profiters such as yourself that have driven the prices of this sport out of the budget of the everyday working man.

aka HAWG

10-16-2010, 12:24 AM

chris
and your stealing ( yes I said stealing ) of photo's from the world wide web and posting them on your own personal website with a caption stating chris haynes owned is perfectly acceptable. maybe to you a grammer school educated, 2nd generation immigrant to california. people that steal should not be allowed on the world wide web

who on this forum or any other that is selling something is not making a profit - if they were making a loss I don't think they would be selling . unless they do that in califonia - sell at a loss, no wonder california needs money

barry that is a killer yardlong - would love a copy but excelsior and harley topper parts are at the front of the hobby spending list

aka HAWG

45OZ

10-16-2010, 04:39 AM

Should'nt This be listed in "FOR SALE " not " parking lot chatter " ? This is by all means is an Ad & not a discussion on what should be charged for non Original photo copies RIGHT ? Can it be placed in the proper area?

exeric

10-16-2010, 06:34 AM

exeric

10-16-2010, 06:41 AM

Barry Brown

10-16-2010, 07:53 AM

"everyday working man" !! You must be joking. Wasn't it YOU who was eager to run down to greet the Cannonballers MOST of them are millionaires in case you are not aware.

45OZ

10-16-2010, 08:17 AM

I would like to add this comment. Go to any art show and see what artists are asking, and getting for their prints, paintings, and sculptures. I think Barry's picture is a work of art so I look at it in that context.

An Artist takes the time to capture an Image with proper lighting , lens openings & a subject theme all his own. they spend most of their lives struggling to live the life they dream to capture on film, this may justify the cost of a TRUE artist Original Print from a negative, in that instance you are paying for a vision & realization of that vision, as well as the time spent doing it again & again to capture that vision & translate it to a positive medium to be shared.
This is a photo copy of photo that was purchased at a swap meet, The photographer is not represented nor profiting from this, So as far as ART goes it is NOT !!! As far as a photocopy of a picture it is, Yes it is indeed a rip off at the price of $1500 , & it is an insult to True artist to compare a photo copy to an artist's print from a neg.
If you do not think this is extreme than o the math
10 X $1500 = $15,000, that sure is some expensive paper !!!!
Signed & #'ed ??? Signed by who ??? #'ed ??? does that mean buyers are guaranteed this will no longer be available??
I'm not looking for a fight here but I have been involved with true artists most of my life & people are constantly trying to rip them off
this is a VERY neat Item but art gallery quality Pricing ? I think not .

Chris Haynes

10-16-2010, 08:51 AM

Barry,
You can put all the spin in the world on this and it won't change the fact that you are selling an item that cost you $15.00 for $1,500.00. I glean photos from all over the web, mostly from eBay and show them for FREE on my website. Free to you but I have to pay to operate the site so I am actually losing money. Yes many millionaires were on the Cannonball. Sadly today, because of profiteers such as yourself, only folks with a lot of money can afford to build a pre '16 machine.

rwm

10-16-2010, 09:02 AM

it's a cool photo.if you sell it in the us.someone will come out of the woodwork and say that's my grand pappi's photo.your $1,500.00 a copy will be in his pocket.on the cover of time mag. was a painting yes a painting of obama. a man proved it was done from a photo he took.the painter lost his shirt and that was a painting of a photo not a photo copy.

exeric

10-16-2010, 09:26 AM

Arguing the value of any object is pointless. Personally, I don't think any knucklehead ever made should sell for more than $25 G's but we all know how ridiculous that is. As for art; of course Barry's photo is art. No one in this world is qualified to say what is art and what is not art. However, everyone in this world is qualified to say what art is to them, personally.

Barry Brown

10-16-2010, 10:00 AM

I thought only communists didn't like profit.
A little history on the photo. I was with a buddy at Hershey in 1979 and he spotted it before me but it was just as well as I didn't have the $175 . Besides the subject matter it is interesting in that it is not a traditional
panoramic taken with a moving camera but a very large print that was cropped. Of course circa 1914 it was not art just a documentation of what is most likely the Excelsior factory race team. All the big names are there.
30 years later a deal was struck and i became the owner. He would only part with it if I had a copy made and contrary to your ideas it was not cheap. I showed the original to several AMCA members and they said they
would gladly pay $1500 for a high quality copy if the number of copies was limited. I realize that money is tight right now so maybe I will only sell a few. Just seeing what the market will bear and obviously struck a
nerve with some bitter dudes. Have a nice day.

Slojo

10-16-2010, 11:44 AM

I am one of the so called millionaires (not) from the cannonball event. I would love to have a copy of Barry's photo sadly I can not afford one after the resent expenses I encountered with the cannonball event and the possibility of the next cannonball around the corner.

The lack of quantity sales of this incredible photo will not prohibit a single bike from being put back on the road. That said not one of us NEED Barry's photo there fore it is a luxury which can be done without.

I sure would like to see 100 photos sold for the 150 to 300 dollar price. Barry do the math and rethink this transaction out, don't forget to add the reimbursement price to those two lucky buyers if you make the photo available to some more of us. Remember no one is ridding the photo down the road so the likely situation of passing yourself going down the road is not the case here, these photos will be hanging in someone's house. Besides they will be helpfull in preserving history and my upcoming build of an early racer project.
Joe

Mr. Big

10-16-2010, 02:46 PM

It's really a wonderful piece but you've priced it so only the elite can afford one. I'm sure the AMCA members you asked about pricing for it had very deep pockets. I'm not living in wonderland and understand that this is an expensive hobby, but you could have made some very nice ones with the kraut paper, nicely framed, signed & numbered? (still not sure what that means) and charged whatever you wanted. But you could have also had some nice paper copies printed up for the unwashed masses to enjoy. You know, the ones that are "impecunious".........

Barry Brown

10-16-2010, 03:00 PM

Hey Joe ! finally some thoughtful commentary! I will see how it goes and then maybe change my tact or just forget the whole hornet's nest
The thought also crossed my mind about your age Chris. That chopper photo sorta dates you and if you have been around that long you have no excuse for not having at least one pre 16 bike in your collection ( if you like them that much as you profess to ) as they were relatively cheap back then. I joined the Classic and Antique Motorcycle Association headquartered in Visalia California in the early 1970's as I was totally unaware of the AMCA . If you were an enthusiast for as long as I surmise you must have had ample opportunity to acquire a pre 16 then at a very reasonable price or were choppers your thing. I have no time for Johnny come lately tears.
I am 61 and bought my 13 Harley circa 1983 for 10K and everyone thought I was nuts to spend so much. If i sell it in 2010 at what price would you say I am making a reasonable return or becoming the greedy capitalist pig you so detest.
It's pretty cruel but have you ever heard the saying "the difference between the men and the boys is the price of their toys" Not something I agree with but good for laugh as is this entire thread!

Chris Haynes

10-16-2010, 05:08 PM

Other than my daily rider '95 FLHTCU the last H-D I bought was my '73 Servi-car. I bought it in '89 or so for $750.00. All of my other Pans and Knucks cost under $1,000.00 or came home one piece at a time. Personally I never wanted a pre '16 machine myself. But with the amount of money I have spent on factory and aftermarket literature along with other collectibles I am sure I could have bought one. I too was a member of CAMA and loved the meets in Visilia and Tulare. At that time as well as now Knuckleheads were/are my love. In 1983 I was only making 20 G's a year. People who have money seem to think that if they have it everyone does.
All of that is ancient history though. I am talking about today. I have had a lot of copy negatives made. They aren't expensive. Contact prints on Kodak paper are also not expensive. You are simply digging for gold out of the pockets of fellow collectors. Some can afford your price. Most can not. Signed numbered edition? Who's signature? I am sure the photographer that owns the rights to that photo has passed. Perhaps you have located his heirs and will pass your excessive profits over to them.

Barry Brown

10-16-2010, 08:03 PM

Great idea Chris. The photo was probably taken for the Milwaukee journal so a newspaper magnate like Hearst probably owned the rights, Should i just send a cheque to the residents of Hearst castle ? Ever been there? Maybe it would be a good venue for an AMCA meet.
I did a lot of dealing with a great character from Kenosha, an AMCA member since 1954 and a prolific collector ( had over 300 bikes at one time) John Giorno. I would always try to beat him down on prices
never with much success,which is another aspect of American capitalism , right??? His response on one occasion made me laugh " we don't deal with poor people" Since you are such a benevolent philanthropist yourself why not
buy one of my prints and get as many copies as you want made at Kinko and pass them out . Forget it, I don't deal with poor people. Greed is good!

Chris Haynes

10-22-2010, 05:28 PM

If there are 10 fools out there who pay you $1,500.00 each for your copys you will have made $15,000.00. About $14,900.00 of that would be clear profit. You can't deduct the price you paid for the original because you are keeping that.

Barry Brown

10-22-2010, 07:10 PM

you are right Chris. I should have charged $15,000 each. That would give me enough profit to put a down payment on the Crocker I sold too cheaply years ago .
You are quite the little working class spokesman hero chris. maybe you should run for the communist party.

Mr. Big

10-22-2010, 07:16 PM

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Barry Brown

10-22-2010, 07:28 PM

come to think of it I should have charged more because that damn American dollar is in the toilet. About 5 years ago our dollar was as low as 60 cents to yours which would have meant over 20,000 profit!
. walking around Hershey last week all I could hear were foreign accents as buyers from all over the place were scooping up cars and filling containers.
that's what has driven the price of knuckleheads through the roof, Chris, no need to be bitter , drink more saki and chill out It's Oriental demand. why not move to the Orient , maybe they like complainers over there!
on the subject of fools , there has never been a shortage, you must know the one about the 2 fools who met over a bike deal!

Barry Brown

10-22-2010, 08:09 PM

here's a cool "yardlong" very good detail however it is shot with a panoramic camera unlike my racing photo so has the inevitable few blurs where faces moved. it also has the common screw up
which I think would reveal an amateur photographer in that the subjects were lined up in a straight line rather than a curve resulting in the riders on the ends appearing further away. There are 68 Harleys in this photo.
I had it professionally framed 20 years ago . no racers, no Bob Perry, no Gene Walker , no pro photography, no Cyclone see the difference??? $300 plus shipping ( real glass not plastic)
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_motorcycles/5106386778/" title="P1200659 by Bruffsup, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5106386778_96e7475f40_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1200659" /></a>

Barry Brown

10-22-2010, 08:13 PM

detail <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_motorcycles/5105793215/" title="P1200660 by Bruffsup, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1125/5105793215_19278cae39_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="P1200660" /></a>

Barry Brown

10-22-2010, 08:17 PM

I have many more bargain priced yardlongs but the price of the crown jewel of all yardlong reprints is still $1500 despite the pathetic clamoring of the disenfranchised masses .

Chris Haynes

10-22-2010, 08:17 PM

If I remember correctly there was someone selling those copy prints at either Davenport or Wauseon years ago. He had the original there and the difference in quality was amazing. On the original you could actually read what it said in the rectangular box and as you can see you can't in the copy.

Barry Brown

10-23-2010, 03:45 AM

Mr. Big

10-23-2010, 07:37 AM

Barry, who are you trying to convince? After numerous posts, we get that you think you're price is justified.

exeric

10-23-2010, 07:52 AM

Barry, who are you trying to convince? After numerous posts, we get that you think you're price is justified.

I don't think Barry was trying to justify his pricing as much as he was trying to defend himself against a pointless, and mean spirited attack.

Mr. Big

10-23-2010, 08:32 AM

I don't think Barry was trying to justify his pricing as much as he was trying to defend himself against a pointless, and mean spirited attack.

Pointless? I would not call a spirited discussion pointless. Mean? Barry certainly seems to be taking it in stride except when he called the responders ass***es and then thought better of it and deleted it. Thank you for that Barry. I'm sure we have reached the point where we just agree to disagree.

exeric

10-23-2010, 09:06 AM

It's not the discussion that's pointless, it's the initial attack that was pointless and mean. Also, you will see who threw out the first invective and did not retract. Look; if you don't like the price of something, just grunt, or nod, and move on. That's just civilized behavior in the business world. However, if the guy has a gun to your head and demands a high price; you have a valid point.

Chris Haynes

10-23-2010, 09:51 AM

you have finally said something that makes sense! you hit on the difference between a professional copy and a run of the mill one. that combined with the original quality and subject matter
and consultation with others in the business and potential buyers were what lead me to my price. the first 2 buyers are very happy with their copies and neither of them are fools
IF I sell all 10 my profit will be substantially less than your math would imply. if you read back through the thread you will see that I purchased this from my friend only recently and believe me
he does not need any money and did not want to let it go. my after tax profit ( Canadian taxes !) will be about $5500 IF I sell all 10 which is doubtful but I don't really care as part of the objective was to maintain
a degree of exclusivity unlike J&P 's or Walneck's prints. If someone can't afford it well that's tough . c'est la vie.

I am sorry to once again disagree with you Barry. It costs no more to make an excellent copy than a lousy copy. I have had many copy negs made of my 8 x 10 factory photos. About $30.00 for an 8 x 10 negative and $12.00 each for 8 X 10 contact prints. The negatives are big and the print is the same size as the negative so there is distortion or grain in it. The yard long you pictured was done poorly and the customer who had them done accepted them and passed them on to the public. I bought one even though the quality was mediocre. I have sent many prints back to the lab to have them print them correctly. They have no reservations about doing it right. I would like to see you make high quality prints and sell them at a price that most could afford. Instead of being greedy and asking $1,500.00 for 10 copies if you sold 150 of them for $100.00 each you would still have your $15,000.00 and 150 collectors would have a nice piece of wall art.
Your statement "If someone can't afford it well that's tough . c'est la vie." shows your attitude toward your fellow collectors and that is indeed a sad thing.

silentgreyfello

11-08-2010, 10:41 PM

Rub

11-08-2010, 11:06 PM

Default World's highest priced seat!

The guy was offended when I told him he was crazy. Maybe I am behind the times on this one, but I bought one identical at Davenport for $300. I know one can ask whatever you want, but $3900? Maybe he meant Yen.

You socialist bastards. If you don't like his price, don't buy it! Who gives you the authority to dictate what someone can sell something for? What I see this coming down to is some poor MF'ers that don't have the ambition to go out and work their a$$es off, and are now jealous that they can't buy one, or that someone is going to PROFIT. I don't give a rat's a$$ what someone paid for a motorcycle or a part when they go to sell it; I will pay what it is worth to me. Free market will dictate whether it sells.

We all make choices in life, some good, some bad. I think the whiners here have made bad economic choices in their life, and want everything handed to them, as they moan in their own pitty. If I owned that yardlong, I would be so greedy, I wouldn't make copies at all... so, thank you Barry for offering them up! That is the coolest yardlong ever, and I have seen a lot of them. In fact, I saw one at Davenport two years ago change hands for $20G. I would rather have a copy of Barry's than that particular photo, and save $18,500. Have a good evening.
Seems to be a little schizophrenia at work here!
Robbie

silentgreyfello

11-08-2010, 11:37 PM

Seems to be a little schizophrenia at work here!
Robbie

LOL! Yeah, I knew right after I posted about the overpriced seat that it goes against my capitalistic ideals. I guess I was secretly wishing that it was only $300 so that I could buy it. Call me a hypocrite, I deserve it!

Chris Haynes

11-09-2010, 04:43 PM

You socialist bastards. If you don't like his price, don't buy it! Who gives you the authority to dictate what someone can sell something for? What I see this coming down to is some poor MF'ers that don't have the ambition to go out and work their a$$es off, and are now jealous that they can't buy one, or that someone is going to PROFIT. I don't give a rat's a$$ what someone paid for a motorcycle or a part when they go to sell it; I will pay what it is worth to me. Free market will dictate whether it sells.

We all make choices in life, some good, some bad. I think the whiners here have made bad economic choices in their life, and want everything handed to them, as they moan in their own pitty. If I owned that yardlong, I would be so greedy, I wouldn't make copies at all... so, thank you Barry for offering them up! That is the coolest yardlong ever, and I have seen a lot of them. In fact, I saw one at Davenport two years ago change hands for $20G. I would rather have a copy of Barry's than that particular photo, and save $18,500. Have a good evening.

I work 50-90 hours a week. Am I not working my ass off? I have been working my job for 46 years. Am I jealous that someone will pay a highly inflated $1,500.00 price for a photo that would cost less than 50 bucks to make? No. I am pissed off at PROFITERS that buy something then resell it, or a copy of it, at exorbitantly high prices. That is gouging. Practices like this are what drives the cost of out hobby out of the reach of people who work their butts off at low paying jobs. I am sure we all know a young man with a wife and baby who would love to own an old bike. But 15-30 grand isn't in their bank account. Some peoples attitude is, Oh well. Who gives a **** about them. Let them collect bottle caps. I have mine and thats all I care about.

Barry Brown

11-09-2010, 05:25 PM

Hmmmm.... is there money to be made in bottle caps?

T. Cotten

11-09-2010, 07:18 PM

Hmmmm.... is there money to be made in bottle caps?

It better become a glory market soon, because I've got a serious coffee can full of 'church keys' to cash in.

Wanna see my Schlitz?

....Cotten

Chris Haynes

11-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Hmmmm.... is there money to be made in bottle caps?

Only if they are German. :D

45OZ

11-10-2010, 07:09 AM

You socialist bastards. If you don't like his price, don't buy it! Who gives you the authority to dictate what someone can sell something for? What I see this coming down to is some poor MF'ers that don't have the ambition to go out and work their a$$es off, and are now jealous that they can't buy one, or that someone is going to PROFIT. I don't give a rat's a$$ what someone paid for a motorcycle or a part when they go to sell it; I will pay what it is worth to me. Free market will dictate whether it sells.

We all make choices in life, some good, some bad. I think the whiners here have made bad economic choices in their life, and want everything handed to them, as they moan in their own pitty. If I owned that yardlong, I would be so greedy, I wouldn't make copies at all... so, thank you Barry for offering them up! That is the coolest yardlong ever, and I have seen a lot of them. In fact, I saw one at Davenport two years ago change hands for $20G. I would rather have a copy of Barry's than that particular photo, and save $18,500. Have a good evening.

I have been reading this thread for some time now & I believe that Barry gave EVERYONE who is a member on this forum the " authority to dictate what someone can sell something for " When he decided to list this thread in "PARKING LOT CHATTER " instead of "FOR SALE" All Barry is doing is seeing what others think about his pricing & selling of a phot copy of a picture. If he truley felt that his price was fair & justified foir a photo copy picture he would have listed it in the "FOR SALE " section & noone would have the authority to dictate their opinion on what someone can sell something for, but since Barry has chosen to Solicit the opions of members this is what he has requested, by posting in this section of the forum that's all.
Oz

silentgreyfello

11-10-2010, 08:32 AM

I work 50-90 hours a week. Am I not working my ass off? I have been working my job for 46 years. Am I jealous that someone will pay a highly inflated $1,500.00 price for a photo that would cost less than 50 bucks to make? No. I am pissed off at PROFITERS that buy something then resell it, or a copy of it, at exorbitantly high prices. That is gouging. Practices like this are what drives the cost of out hobby out of the reach of people who work their butts off at low paying jobs.

If you work an avg of 70 hours per week, and make $30 per hour in LA, then with overtime, you are making $2500+ per week, $130K per year. How come you don't have the money to finish your supposed 36 knuck? And if you work that hard, and blog this much, (2800 posts this site, 5400 on CAIMG for starters) just WHEN do you sleep? Unless you are blogging at work, then you wouldn't be working vey hard, would you? Guys have been buying/selling for profit forever, and you have too, so get over it. Until OneBigAssMistakeAmerica changes us to a socialistic state, it is legal to profit. Have you ever sold something for more than what you paid, Chris? Of course you have. BTW, if you aren't making $30 per hour in LA, you are really lazy, or never armed yourself with any skills to speak of.

Barry Brown

11-10-2010, 09:15 AM

HA HA ! Great comment , my thoughts exactly!

aka HAWG

11-10-2010, 09:40 AM

silentgreyfello - if you have time go back and read chris's posts, most of them are a complete waste of form space as it seems he is posting just to see himself post. but yes some are of importance ie factory photo's he post

point in case I posted looking for topper parts and his reply was to use golf cart parts (- in his mind as long as not in judging wrong parts are ok). at no time did I ask if golf cart parts were acceptable or useable - irrelevant information

aka HAWG

45OZ

11-10-2010, 11:20 AM

Why are you guy's Bashing Chris, & why would anyone care how much money he makes & what he decides to do with it ???
Barry asked what the members opinions were on his overpriced Photo copies that's why it was posted here & not For sale. If you don't like a persons opion that's cool , but do you really need to attack someone because they honestly state how they feel after being asked ???
Also who cares how many post a person makes Just because a person dosen't open his mouth don't mean he ain't got something to say.
Have a Nice Day & keep the rubber side down !!!

Chris Haynes

11-10-2010, 08:14 PM

If you work an avg of 70 hours per week, and make $30 per hour in LA, then with overtime, you are making $2500+ per week, $130K per year. How come you don't have the money to finish your supposed 36 knuck? And if you work that hard, and blog this much, (2800 posts this site, 5400 on CAIMG for starters) just WHEN do you sleep? Unless you are blogging at work, then you wouldn't be working vey hard, would you? Guys have been buying/selling for profit forever, and you have too, so get over it. Until OneBigAssMistakeAmerica changes us to a socialistic state, it is legal to profit. Have you ever sold something for more than what you paid, Chris? Of course you have. BTW, if you aren't making $30 per hour in LA, you are really lazy, or never armed yourself with any skills to speak of.

On the job I am working at this time I am working 60 hour weeks. I earn $30.13 and hour. After deductions I take home $1,207.17 a week. My mortgage is $2,950.00 a month. Utilities, phone, INTERNET, ETC is another $500.00 a month. Add Gas, food, clothes, union dues, and and bunch of other crap and there isn't much left. Also the doctor bills for my Ole Lady's cancer surgery, medications, chemotherapy, ETC. are another big expense. Also on this job I work two weeks on and one week off. I have periods of unemployment during the year due to the nature of the business. I wish I made $130,000.00 but that is a long way from my actual earnings.
As for THEONEBIGASSMISTAKE he is already in office.

Chris Haynes

11-10-2010, 08:18 PM

Why are you guy's Bashing Chris, & why would anyone care how much money he makes & what he decides to do with it ???
Barry asked what the members opinions were on his overpriced Photo copies that's why it was posted here & not For sale. If you don't like a persons opine that's cool , but do you really need to attack someone because they honestly state how they feel after being asked ???
Also who cares how many post a person makes Just because a person dosen't open his mouth don't mean he ain't got something to say.
Have a Nice Day & keep the rubber side down !!!

Don't worry about anything AKA Hawg says. For some reason he has made his lifes ambition to try to belittle me. I must have pissed in his canteen at one time and he can't get over it.

Mr. Big

11-10-2010, 08:54 PM

Barry, I'm still curious as to who signs these photographs?

indianut

11-11-2010, 08:17 AM

I work 50-90 hours a week. Am I not working my ass off? I have been working my job for 46 years. Am I jealous that someone will pay a highly inflated $1,500.00 price for a photo that would cost less than 50 bucks to make? No. I am pissed off at PROFITERS that buy something then resell it, or a copy of it, at exorbitantly high prices. That is gouging. Practices like this are what drives the cost of out hobby out of the reach of people who work their butts off at low paying jobs. I am sure we all know a young man with a wife and baby who would love to own an old bike. But 15-30 grand isn't in their bank account. Some peoples attitude is, Oh well. Who gives a **** about them. Let them collect bottle caps. I have mine and thats all I care about.
Chris you once again are showing what a Jackass you are. I have seen parts you put on ebay with RIDICULOUS prices, such as tanks, etc. that you probably did not pay much at all for. How much would you sell one of your Supposed Bikes that you purchased years ago for 3-700 for? If I buy something for $1.00 and market it for $1,000 that is only the business of me and whoever thinks it is something they want to have. I would like to have an Open Cockpit Vintage Airplane, but i can't afford one. Oh, well that is the way the world works. Why don't you sell me an old set of Panhead tanks for $75.00? Heck ,that's probably all you paid for them. You are just one of those clowns who thinks he has it all, until someone else has something you don't have then you start picking on them. As far as I am concerned you are just a Wanna be Sidewalk Commando. And a PROFITEER, by the way Mr. Spell Check, the word is PROFITEER, just like you are calling everyone else who has the gall to sell a vintage motorcycle part for alot more than he paid for it!

exeric

11-11-2010, 09:11 AM

I'm stunned that this thread keeps going on and on. It's like many of you just stepped off a space ship from Pluto. Here in America, you can sell anything you own, and ask any amount of money. In turn; you can buy anything you want if you've got the wampum. I've read through this thread more than once and I can't see anything controversial about Barry's initial post. It may be in the wrong catagory but that's a petty complaint, considering some of the nonsense you see in Parking Lot Chatter.

Ohio-Rider

11-11-2010, 09:41 AM

I agree with that, Eric. Boy oh boy, and winter has barely started. This place could turn into a punch palace by spring. :)

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11-11-2010, 10:18 AM

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Mr. Big

11-11-2010, 03:16 PM

Man, all you guys on the Barry bandwagon need to get a grip. This isn't, at least in my opinion, about Barry making too much money. It's about his decison to make this available only to the "elite". Limited edition, signed by Barry?, German gold inlaid paper, bla, bla, bla. Instead of catering to the check writers, he could easily make them available to all in a nice frame for 3 - 400 bucks. Stick'em on ePay and presto, he could easily make two to three times as much as he could with his limited edition nonsense. Sharing such a wonderful piece with the vintage motorcyling community would be a great thing and he would still make a Pelosi load of coin. I would be first in line to buy one. So no my friends, this has nothing to do with money and is all about ego. And Barry, if you are not signing these things, please pray tell, who is?

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11-11-2010, 08:18 PM

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silentgreyfello

11-11-2010, 08:54 PM

Man, all you guys on the Barry bandwagon need to get a grip. This isn't, at least in my opinion, about Barry making too much money. It's about his decison to make this available only to the "elite". Limited edition, signed by Barry?

why such a socialistic attitude? Can't he sell it to whoever he wants, for whatever he can get? So are you going to set the price for him? Can I come to your garage and put price tags on your stuff? Heck no! You would want to get as much as possible for whatever you sell, so why would you hold Barry to a different standard? The whole problem with yours and Chris's argument is that you think there is a sense of entitlement, that the "common man" should be able to afford these. That is absurd. One person, and one person only, should set the price... Barry. If nobody buys it, then that is his problem, not mine or yours.

I am not on Barry's bandwagon... I am just not on the socialist and communist argument that you can set a price of somebody else's goods.

rwm

11-11-2010, 09:11 PM

you can't copy somebody's artwork and sell it.

rwm

11-11-2010, 09:35 PM

you can't copy somebody's artwork and sell it.

looks like you can copy and sell this one. things published before 1923 are in the public domain

silentgreyfello

11-11-2010, 10:42 PM

Rob, are photos considered art, when it comes to copyright law? I know there is a whole cottage industry on ebay where folks are selling copies of pictures, and lots of them are from the 1950's. I would think that if you own the original, and the artist is dead, why not?

Chris Haynes

11-12-2010, 12:19 AM

[QUOTE=indianut;103315]Chris you once again are showing what a Jackass you are. I have seen parts you put on ebay with RIDICULOUS prices, such as tanks, etc. that you probably did not pay much at all for.

I sold some tanks on eBay a couple years ago. I listed them low and bidders bid them up to the selling price, which I felt was a more than fair price. I don't know what crystal ball you use to determine what I paid for something.