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12-12-2009, 07:07 PM
I thought that the HX181 was for the later J models as I remember, but I just bought this one and it has the stack on it. Any ideas what this carb would have been used for? Stamped HX181 on the top of body.
12-12-2009, 07:12 PM
12-12-2009, 07:29 PM
:p have the same one on my 8hp airens snow blower how about you in wisconson it snows there too;)
12-13-2009, 07:59 AM
My 1928 Schebler reprint manual lists the HX181 as a 1 1/4" carb used on 1921-25 Harley 74ci JDs. The air horn extension is a race piece probably used to pass more air at high revs. Theres a 24 JDCA that looks like it was moded for racing at the Barber museum that has the same style air horn extension.:D
12-13-2009, 08:14 AM
Did that come out of Australia? I have several manifolds with a longer neck brazed on between the manifold and the carb. I would call mine a ram-induction or high-rise manifold if it were on a car. ...bill
12-13-2009, 11:53 AM
Bill, It came out of the midwest. I bought it with the thought of using it on a two cam, but didn't have any reference material in front of me, so I took a chance.
12-13-2009, 02:28 PM
The first reference I have for the "Ported air sleeve" is in the 1912 to 1918 parts book and it is listed as follows:
DA 2000 Ported air sleeve ( for fast motors ) 1914-1916
FA 2006 Ported air sleeve ( for fast motors ) 1917 and 1918
My next parts book is published for release August 1st 1922 and covers 1917 to 1923 models
FA 2006 Ported air sleeve ( for fast motors ) 1917 to 1923 61 cu in
DA 2006 Ported air sleeve 1921 to 1923 74 cu in
Then in the parts book published for release August 1st 1923 (one year later) and covering 1920 to 1924 models the ported air sleeve has been dropped.
I have examples of FA 2006 and DA2006 and the only difference is that FA2006 is designed for the 1 1/8 bore 160 series carbs and DA 2006 is designed for the 1 3/8 bore 180 series carbs but exactly what DA 2000 looks like or what model it was intended for I don't know.
From the parts book and the fact that your one is fitted to a HX 181 carb my guess would be that it came off a 1921 to 1923 74 cu inch JD Harley.
My research suggests that although these air sleeves were commonly used in racing applications in the quest for more power they were initially used on road applications to try and solve some of the high speed carb problems that occured with Model H carbs.
If you ever do flow tests on the air valve or as we call it the flutter valve assembly you will see what I mean and the engineers of the time must have realised this and developed the ported air sleeve in an effort to allow the engines to breath in more air at higher speeds.
Because there is so little Schebler info out there, there is no positive date for the introduction of the Deluxe carb but once again my guess would be that it's introduction wolud see the demise of the ported air sleeve and maybe that date is in the 1922-23 period we are discussing.
Hope this helps.
12-13-2009, 02:31 PM
HX 181 should read 1 1/4 not 1 3/8
Now why did I do that?
12-16-2009, 10:53 PM
Thanks for the info! Jim
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