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OldHog66
02-22-2009, 03:14 PM
Any recommendations on Speedo Refurb vendor?

The only one I've seen advertised in the AMCA Magazane is John Bordas.

Is he the man?

jmanjeff
02-22-2009, 08:56 PM
I had my 57 sportster refurbish at

United Speedometer service
Riverside CA 1-800-877-4798
it has been 8 years add i have not had any problems,and they did a fine job

VPH-D
02-24-2009, 12:28 PM
I've had several speedometers done by John in the last couple years with good results.
VPH-D

rbenash
02-24-2009, 01:22 PM
Palo Alto Speedo (Palo Alto, CA) rebuilt my 65 Pan speedo. They did great work. That was about 6 years ago or thereabouts. I had them use the original needle, face and number wheels though. And anything else that didn't have to be replaced.

OldHog66
02-24-2009, 05:31 PM
thanks guys.. because John advertises inthe AMCA mag, thought i'd use him if he did good work. Thanks for the feedback and I'm sending it off to him tonight. Nice to have my original tombstone back on the bike this spring. Bike had a repop on it when I bought the bike last year and had this in a box...

brillson
03-05-2009, 05:29 AM
John Bordas is the best address for us AMCA guys in the States!

Not only that he is an AMCA judge and knows exactly how to restore a motorcycle speedometer. He got a lot of original parts from the retiered Peter Heintz.
I visited John a few times in his workshop and could see his excellent work. He is an extinguish craftsman with a fair pricing and good turnaround time. John works for most of the professionel restorers and dealers.

Chris Haynes
03-05-2009, 11:56 AM
Refurbish?

re·fur·bish (rē-fūr'bĭsh) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. re·fur·bished, re·fur·bish·ing, re·fur·bish·es
To make clean, bright, or fresh again; renovate.
re·fur'bish·ment n.

Are you looking to restore or rebuild? Most any speedometer shop can service your speedometer. But to restore it correctly it need to go to John Bordas.

jmanjeff
03-05-2009, 11:58 PM
God da%m Chris you don't have any thing better to do then pick a word apart they restored it then anf they did a dam fine job all so

edit: John Bordas is not the only one that can correctly restore one

Chris Haynes
03-06-2009, 12:09 AM
God da%m Chris you don't have any thing better to do then pick a word apart they restored it then anf they did a dam fine job all so

edit: John Bordas is not the only one that can correctly restore one

Who else has the correct decals, Needles, glass and other parts necessary?

silentgreyfello
03-07-2009, 12:19 AM
Refurbish?
re·fur·bish (rē-fūr'bĭsh) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. re·fur·bished, re·fur·bish·ing, re·fur·bish·es
To make clean, bright, or fresh again; renovate.
re·fur'bish·ment n.

Are you looking to restore or rebuild? Most any speedometer shop can service your speedometer. But to restore it correctly it need to go to John Bordas.

Chris, since you are in the critical mode again, I'll try to correct your grammar for you (at least the part that wasn't cut from somewhere else).

The first sentance is incomplete. The second sentance has grammar problems. The third sentance starts with "But" and is missing a comma. That is simply not acceptable here. You also forgot to mention that the nickel plating looks too shiny (or shiney as you call it).

Here is another way that you could perhaps write that last paragraph. Cheers!

Are you looking to restore or rebuild it? Most speedometer shops can service your speedometer. To restore it correctly, it needs to go to John Bordas.

jwl
03-07-2009, 09:28 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Janous Napierla in Ontario, CAN. here. He has done some fine work for me in the past. I think he's still in business. I saw he had some stuff on ebay awhile back.

Chris Haynes
03-07-2009, 12:23 PM
One problem with Janous (Speedo Rat) is that he passes off reproduction stuff as restored originals. For years I have been asking him to sell me a reproduction 1937 speedo face that doesn't have clear coat on it. He says his manufacturer in europe only makes them that way, which is incorrect.

Carl Olsen
03-10-2009, 11:16 PM
Cris,
I have been using Janous for many years now and have had great luck with his products, I consider him the best and do not appreciate you badmouthing him by spreading untrue rumers. Let's see some proof that he passes off repro for original before you open your big mouth. He has been very honest and straitforward with me and I have tried all of the other speedo repair shops, except for John Bordus. What have you built lately that uses an original speedo, I have used more than 50 speedos from Janous in the last few years and have been pleased with them all. Once again I challenge you to add some salt to your lame accusations.
Carl

Chris Haynes
03-10-2009, 11:27 PM
Cris,
I have been using Janous for many years now and have had great luck with his products, I consider him the best and do not appreciate you badmouthing him by spreading untrue rumers. Let's see some proof that he passes off repro for original before you open your big mouth. He has been very honest and straitforward with me and I have tried all of the other speedo repair shops, except for John Bordus. What have you built lately that uses an original speedo, I have used more than 50 speedos from Janous in the last few years and have been pleased with them all. Once again I challenge you to add some salt to your lame accusations.
Carl


I wouldn't make a statement unless I had seen it. I have seen Speedo Rat try to sell a reproduced 1937 speedometer as an original. This was several years ago at Eustis. It was obvious that it was a reproduction bucket and not even the correct bucket for a 1937. Obviously he knows that you know what you are looking at and wouldn't try to pass off a repop on you.

jwl
03-11-2009, 02:54 PM
My first deal with Janous went like this: I was fairly new to the scene and an easy mark for an unscrupulous vendor. I had plans to restore a couple bikes and needed 2 restored speedos. One bike was a 40EL and the speedo on it was original and never opened. I also had another 41-46 style speedo that had been worked on at some point in the past and needed to be gone through again for a future restoration job. I handed both speedos to Janous at Davenport and asked him to take them home and restore them for me. He loooked at the original 40 speedo and said "I won't restore this!" He went on to say that this original speedo is worth as much as 2 restored ones. I told him that I was restoring a bike and even though the speedo worked it wouldn't look right on a restored bike. He told me that he would trade me a restored 40 speedo and restore my 41-46 unit for me and ship them both to me free if I would give him the original 40 speedo. That seemed like a good deal to me so we agreed. About a month later Fedex brought me my 2 speedos, one a beautifully restored 40 unit and an equally nice restored 41-46 unit, both with a 1 year warranty all at no charge, not even shipping. I was happy. Now if Janous wanted to screw somebody; here was his chance. He could have just as well taken my original 40 unit and kept it, sent me a restored one out of his stock, and charged me a couple hundred for restoring it and another couple hundred for restoring the 41-46 unit. I would have been out 4-500 bucks and not been any better off and been none the wiser. Since that time on I have respected the man and he will continue to get my speedo business. John Lindemann

Carl Olsen
03-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Right on John, that's the Janous I know.
Cris, I still do not see any proof of your accusations. We are both well respected on this forum so let's leave this lie, like the dead horse it is.
Carl

Lonnie
03-12-2009, 06:37 AM
I gave Janus two speedometers, both '48-style, to combine with the mint original parts in one and the other as restored. His comments were that he actually hated to see good quality original speedos restored and would much rather repair them than see them lost as originals forever. He seemed pleased that I would want to salvage the best parts into one super-nice speedo.

He did a great job with both. After 300 miles or so the odometer in the restored one quit, coincidentally in Davenport. I pulled it, took it over to Janus explained the situation and he swapped me another one, no questions asked and it had warranty also from that date.

The one in my '42 (restored) has over 1,700 miles, works perfectly. I expect no problems with the two others he has done and I have no worries in that regard because I KNOW that Janus will stand behind his work.

This is not to say that Mr. Bordas does not do excellent work also.

brillson
03-12-2009, 06:32 PM
One problem with Janous (Speedo Rat) is that he passes off reproduction stuff as restored originals. For years I have been asking him to sell me a reproduction 1937 speedo face that doesn't have clear coat on it. He says his manufacturer in europe only makes them that way, which is incorrect.

Cris,
I have been using Janous for many years now and have had great luck with his products, I consider him the best and do not appreciate you badmouthing him by spreading untrue rumers. He has been very honest and straitforward with me and I have tried all of the other speedo repair shops, except for John Bordus. What have you built lately that uses an original speedo, I have used more than 50 speedos from Janous in the last few years and have been pleased with them all. Once again I challenge you to add some salt to your lame accusations.
Carl

Chris and Carl your both right. Janusz does indeed a fantastic high quality job on speedos. Specially on speedos with good original faces. But is also a fact that Janusz has sold 37 and 47 speedos on Ebay without to mention that they have reproduction buckets. The buckets are very good replicas and from the outside you can see the difference only at the bracing of the mounting tabs.

When I have sold restored speedos as profstewart on Ebay in the last few years I told always which parts are original or reproduction.

Janusz get his parts from Poland whereas John Bordas and I have a parts supplier in the Netherlands. Most of the polish and dutch reproduction parts are meanwhile in an equal quality compared to the original Stewart Warner parts.

A difference is still for the prewar and war time faces. The first photo shows a speedo from Janusz. The black inner circle doesn't go into the curves where the odometer is. I talked with Janusz in Davenport about that, but he don't know how to change it. The second photo shows one of my customer speedos with a dutch face and the inner circle goes into the curves.
On the other side Janusz has perfect reprinted odometer rolls whereas John and I have to use decals when the odometer rolls are faded or chipped which is one of the mean problems when repairing or restoring an old Harley speedo.

And Chris the 37 faces have had indeed a very thin silver coating which passed away from sun and the heat of the motor.

Conlclusion: When you are a collector hunting for the 100 points bike, you can choice any speedo 'refurbisher' in the AMCA community. But when you are a rider needing a new face for your faded speedo it's more a question of your personel taste.

Ride safe
Martin

Paps
03-12-2009, 06:42 PM
Martin.....That post was just plain brilliant !! Paps

longhorn
03-12-2009, 11:46 PM
That post by Martin Brill,was very informative.I went and got the speedo I purchased from Janus last year at davenport and compared it to a unrestored speedo and you can see what Martin pointed out.I do know that the speedos I have had repaired or purchased from Janus have worked well and were accurate.







Ken Kalustian
amca #2065

Chris Haynes
03-13-2009, 12:09 AM
And Chris the 37 faces have had indeed a very thin silver coating which passed away from sun and the heat of the motor.

Ride safe
Martin

Martin,
I agree that the brass faces are silver plated then acid washed before the silk screen numbers and logo were applied. But there was no clear coat on originals. Find an original and put a drop of clear silver cleaner on it a watch it come to life.

Kozy
03-13-2009, 12:53 PM
My experience with Napierala is similar to jwl's. A few years ago I was at Wauseon looking for a '47 speedomenter. I knew a little but could have been (and have been!) had easy. He had two on his table one priced substantially lower than the other. I asked about the differance and he said he had used a reproduction needle in the lower priced speedo. He went so far as to place a loose NOS needle and one of his reproductions side by side and let me compare them. The quality of the repop needle and price differance impressed me enough to buy the lower priced of the two. He also sold me a NOS '47 speedo lamp for what I consdered very little. How honest can you get.
Pat Kozakiewicz

brillson
03-14-2009, 12:20 PM
Martin,
I agree that the brass faces are silver plated then acid washed before the silk screen numbers and logo were applied. But there was no clear coat on originals. Find an original and put a drop of clear silver cleaner on it a watch it come to life.

Chris,
Years ago I made some experiments with old original ugly faces using clear silver cleaner. The silver cleaner solves the silver clear coat. But the 36 and some 37 faces I tested don't have any coating. From 38 to 46 Stewart Warner used the silver coating.
It's not a regular clear coat. In Germany we have the special term 'Zapon' coat for it and is soluble with clear silver cleaner.

Glenn
04-07-2009, 03:39 AM
anyone know if a speedo person will be at oley? and who it might be

thanks

Chris Haynes
04-07-2009, 01:19 PM
Chris,
Years ago I made some experiments with old original ugly faces using clear silver cleaner. The silver cleaner solves the silver clear coat. But the 36 and some 37 faces I tested don't have any coating. From 38 to 46 Stewart Warner used the silver coating.
It's not a regular clear coat. In Germany we have the special term 'Zapon' coat for it and is soluble with clear silver cleaner.


I don't understand what you mean by the 1938-1946 speedo's having silver clear coat on them? The silver plating is not clear. 1941-1946 speedo's had painted faces.
While commonly called White Face speedometers the face on a 1936-1940 speedometer is not painted. Only the numbers were painted on. The brass plate was silver plated then acid etched to give it the whitish appearance. I have several original used 1936-1940 faces. Most have the goldish brass color showing through here and there where the plating is thin. The numbers are silk screened on top ot the acid etched silver plate. There is no clear coat on the face.
I would be the first one in line to buy correct reproduction acid etched silver plate speedo faces without the clear coat on them.

RichO
04-07-2009, 06:57 PM
Hate to jump in now but anything made by humans has to be imperfect somewhere. NOTHING is perfect. These machines weren't perfect when they came from the factory. They were trying to make payroll and they were just a transportation device, not an art object. Where did this yardstick of perfection come from. Unless it is an untouched original machine it has something on it that didn't come from the factory. Do you guys take a members dash off to see what's under? Do you all use original rings and pistons inside your motor? I had Janous do my 1940EL speedo and was more than satisfied. 7k and hasn't missed a beat. Use whoever works for you. Chris I've heard your remarks drive members away when you've been judging their machines with on called for negative comments and rude remarks. If you haven't anything constructive to say, don't.

Chris Haynes
04-07-2009, 07:13 PM
RichO,
The idea of a restoration is to return it to its original shape. Of course things inside may not be original due to oversized parts being needed or unavailable OEM parts. But things that are seen should be restored to look as they left the factory. Stewart Warner did not put a clear coat on the acid etched silver plated faces used 1936-1940. On a rider it doesn't make any difference.
As for remarks made during judging, have I said anything untrue? When my XLCH or my old Servicar was judged did I take the judges comments and hearty laughter as an insult and leave? NO, I correct the issues and return with it another time. It is true that I say what is on my mind.

rwm
04-07-2009, 07:35 PM
yes there will be if you stand in the pavilon that the old dude is in and face snack bar turn right and walk down the row this row has no venders a cross from one an other he's in the middle of the row. the man is in a small white tent bring your old one for trade in our buy out right

RichO
04-07-2009, 08:34 PM
Chris, this is not the time or place but it will come. My memory isn't so short and you like to look up words in Webster's. Look up tact when you decide to speak your mind next time..

Chris in Japan
04-25-2009, 07:09 AM
Dear all,

There is no lack of coherence between good and bad experiences with Janus. Human people do not act always in the same way. Mood, mistakes, type relationship are few of the many reasons that makes us to behave in different ways.

It is a fact by reading this thread and the feedback of Janus in ebay, that he is predominantly good in his business and also reliable. There is almost nothing to discuss on this.

I can speak now for my very own experience with Janus and what I will tell below applies only to me and in no way goes in contradiction to any other opinion because this happened only to me!

- Janus sold me per ebay a 1947 speedo for 999 USD making very clear in the description of the speedo that this was an original one.
- The speedo had in fact a (very good) repro face and a repro bezel. Nothing of this was indicated in the auction and SHOULD have been because of stating that was original and setting the start price to respectable 999 USD.
- Janus rejected my objections about the face despite close-ups of his reproduction against close ups of the originals as counter-examples. Recognized but the bezel...
- Communication was not the best either. I will not say impolite because he never insulted me, but "hello", "thanks", "sorry", "regards" are not a part of his vocabulary, at least with me. Even if I never did something to disturb him. I never heard about him before, I bid in his auction and paid less than one hour after closure with PayPal. Quite "OK" for a buyer. I know this has nothing to do because it is "business", but anyway...
- I must be just and finally say that with almost no discussion (but always rejecting my arguments) he accepted the return of the speedo and refunded me the money promptly.

My biggest disappointment is why it is so difficult to talk... If I am wrong and Stewart Warner both silk screened and lithographed faces in 1947 models, then why do not tell it? It is just a single second spent! If not, why just not say that this was simply overlooked and that the face is really a reproduction? This kind of things in the daily life can happen, do happen and when additionally involve a quite large amount of money, it is a gentleman "must" to apologize.

I saw you were pretty harsh towards Chris (Haynes) because lack of evidence. The evidence I can offer is my thread about this subject in "Knuckle Heads" with the actual pictures and the auction of Janus itself (ebay item 370169714440).

Once again, please do not misunderstand me - I do not discuss at all the 1'000'000 positive experiences with Janus. I just describe my own one.

In the same way that happened to me, could also happen to another rookie like me. And I will be glad if I can spare this experience to a single other one because it was not fun...

Voila! Now I close my eyes and you can shoot this second "Chris"! I believe Rookies must go through this!

Kindest regards to all.

Chris.

Weener101
11-22-2013, 03:06 PM
I have had nothing but great experiances with Janus. He has always been honest and above board. I highly recommend his services. Dave Sweeney Seattle

36 knuck man
11-22-2013, 06:46 PM
Two words: John Bordas