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OldHog66
02-15-2009, 05:34 PM
After exploring Hi-Fi Blue, and dealing with all I dealt with, and only thinking I wanted it becasue the bike happened to be some shade of (maybe Hi-Fi) when I bought it. But now, after frustration consumed me and common sense took over... I would like to do Black and (Birch) White. How strick are the judges on the "right" black...and white, for that matter...and does anyone have ppg, dupont or other color numbers (base/clear) for a "correct" black and/or Birch White??

Thanks! and no, my painter does not want to get in the middle of me buying paint from New Hampshire and him laying it down and if it ain't right, all the finger pointing that would ensue....

So, if I can appropriate color numbers for a black and birch white, I'm in business!

thanks to any and all for assistance....i'm fighting the clock (calendar) for spring!!

66 FLH
Steve

jmanjeff
02-15-2009, 07:25 PM
check here

http://freewebs.com/colorwrite/colors.html

OldHog66
02-15-2009, 07:45 PM
sorry dude...been there....my painter does not want to be "in the middle" of him doing the painting and someone else supplying the paint. Wish I had a nice, good tank or fender to take in and do a color match, but alas...
Pierce offers a GREAT and needed service...I am just trying to use a good local guy and need a color name or number to move forward.

bmh
02-16-2009, 06:27 PM
Did you contact your local Dupont dealer? They can't match there own #? Hi-Fi blue baking enamel Y797-6692. The first number is the silver base and the second would be he candy. Would think dupont could match there own stuff.

exeric
02-16-2009, 06:43 PM
I just went through this with a DuPont Centari formula that I had for Excelsior green. They can't make Centari formulas now because their new Chroma line has different color numbers. I had to have the color custom mixed, and a new formulate chart created for the new paint.

OldHog66
02-20-2009, 08:17 AM
What a crock of sh** .... I took the codes for dupont (old formulas) right out of the "legend begins" book and the local dupont guys can't even match it... how the hell am I supposed to paint a goddam bike plain old black and white in colors true enough for restoration without ordering some frikkin special mix paint from the east coast..
why is this so goddam hard?

bmh
02-20-2009, 06:32 PM
Well I guess if this was an easy game everyone would be playing. I am totally with you on the Dupont thing. I can't believe they can't match their own products. They have a huge reference library on antique auto finishes, they list colors for bicycles and jet skis but not a thing on motorcycles???

Robert Luland
02-22-2009, 07:42 AM
This whole paint number thing sucks. It took me months just to get the code for vivid black for my 06. Everybody being protective. No body wants to help you. Nore does anybody give a crap about helping you. For the most part PPG can mix all those Dupont colors if ya got the code. Wrong! They don't care ether. I shore wish I could run my bisness like that.

bmh
02-22-2009, 02:38 PM
What has happened?? This wasn't this hard 10 or 15 years ago. The last time I bought Hi-fi Blue I called the dealer, got the code, went to a local vendor which was PPG and bought paint. Those numbers are DDL33943 for the silver base coat and DDL16021 for the candy blue. That is off the cans on my shelf and I'll bet those numbers are now also no good. These cans were bought in about 93. The formula for the candy blue is
DMX216 BLUE- 27.0
DMA311 WHITE- 2.0
DMX215 VIOLET- 35.0
DCA468 CLEAR- 953.0
If that makes any sense to anyone. I'll call the vendor I bought this from tomorrow and see what they say.

Paquette
02-22-2009, 06:58 PM
Why do you people whine so damned much? Buy the correct paint from John Pierce and be done with it. Of course your local dealer can't do your color .**** changes throughout the years. You people will pay $1000-00 for a damned dash board but balk at paying for correct paint==.

BNSONS
02-22-2009, 10:51 PM
Why do you people whine so damned much? Buy the correct paint from John Pierce and be done with it. Of course your local dealer can't do your color .**** changes throughout the years. You people will pay $1000-00 for a damned dash board but balk at paying for correct paint==.

Always nice to hear from you again Michael

OldHog66
02-23-2009, 04:07 PM
Dude, got no problem buying the paint from Pierce and everything I've read says he has a "stand up" reputation. The painters that I have been referred to (and it may not be this way everywhere) do not want to "get in the middle" and deal with fingerpointing if the paint job aint' right. I get their issue..and whether I like it or not, it is what it is. Certainly ain't the cost of paint keeping me away!!

exeric
02-23-2009, 04:29 PM
With all due respect to your choice of painters, I think you should find someone else to paint your bike. If you accept responsibility for the color, why should a painter care what color it is ?

rbenash
02-24-2009, 12:14 PM
What has happened?? This wasn't this hard 10 or 15 years ago. The last time I bought Hi-fi Blue I called the dealer, got the code, went to a local vendor which was PPG and bought paint. Those numbers are DDL33943 for the silver base coat and DDL16021 for the candy blue. That is off the cans on my shelf and I'll bet those numbers are now also no good. These cans were bought in about 93. The formula for the candy blue is
DMX216 BLUE- 27.0
DMA311 WHITE- 2.0
DMX215 VIOLET- 35.0
DCA468 CLEAR- 953.0
If that makes any sense to anyone. I'll call the vendor I bought this from tomorrow and see what they say.


Hey Brian - who was the PPG supplier you used? The one in York? Just curious. Looking to find contact/info for the PPG place that is right near the York HD plant.

bmh
02-24-2009, 06:47 PM
It was Nicholas paint in Hummelstown, outside Harrisburg. Spoke to them, obsolete toners.....I'm not licensed to buy lacquer paint.....blah blah. Tried contacting PPG direct, well see what they have to say. I have no problem paying for quality materials, but as always I want to make sure I don't overpay. With haz-mat fees and all that, ordering would almost always be more expense than purchasing local. After all it's the local guys who put money in my wallet so I'll support them anytime I can.

rbenash
02-25-2009, 09:39 AM
Thanks for the info. I'll check back with Steve Johnston. He mentioned this place to me when talking to him about rejuvenating the factory Hi Fi paint I mention in another thread on this forum.

Steve said there was a PPG place right near the HD plant in York that did a lot of work for the museum. Guy named Dennis there might be able to tell me what cutter/solvent was used in the original baking enamels.

Bill Pedalino
03-18-2009, 04:04 AM
Well-Stated Paquette....