*** Cleveland Motorcycle Information Needed ***

[tgray]

I am doing research on Cleveland Singles. Where is a good place to get a lot of information regarding the history and pictures of Cleveland Singles. I will also be interesting in buying one (preferably a 1919 model).

Thanks!

Tom

[c.o.]

Tom, it seems to me that not that far back there was a write-up in the club mag on Cleveland lightweights. I picked up a copy of the latest Iron Works magazine the other day and there is a Cleveland featured with some good pics. Here's an e-bay auction with a two-stroke manual.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vintage-6-Manuals-Cleveland-HD-Excelsior-Henderson_W0QQitemZ350043011533QQihZ022QQcategoryZ 35558QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You do see them pop-up now and then so I'm sure you'll find one.

[tgray]

Thanks Cory! I really appreciate your feedback. I'll check both of them out!

[23JDCA 808]

Some images can be gleaned from Google/images. ...bill
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Cleveland+motorcycle&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

[Ross]

I have a 1915 model serial number 383, I've owned it since 1978. I once visited Ted Hodgen (sp?)one of our club founders who had a nice 1915.No kickstart on this model. There is a nice original example that I took alot of pictures last fall at the Barber museum. There definitely was a story written by Ted H. in one of the club magazines way back. Perhaps you can find the issue thru some help on this thread. They are interesting machines but not everyone is a 2 stroke fan.

[tgray]

Thanks 23JDCA 808 & Ross! Again, I really appreciate everyones input. Does anyone have one for sale? There were two that were auctioned off earlier this year and unfortunately I missed both of them.

Again, I really appreciate all of the responses.

Tom

[Rod K]

Tom
The article by Ted Hodgdon was in Vol 1 No5 Spring Issue 1961 It gives a pretty good over view of the different years. I have a reproduced copy of the magazine. If you
can't find that volume, I could copy my copy for you.

I have a 1919. It has a mixture of different year parts on it, but runs well. I'm not ready to
part with it yet.....Rod

[tgray]

Rod,

Thanks for your response! I would greatly appreciate a copy of the magazine article and pictures. I will gladly PayPal you some money for your trouble. Would it be possible for you to scan the magazine cover and article and email it to me at: tgraytn@yahoo.com ?

Thanks again!

Tom

[c.o.]

Hey Tom, it just came to me that I recently saw an ad for a '19. A quick scan through the latest issue of The Antique Motorcycle proved it. It's on page 83. If you have the new issue give it a look. If not I'll get you the info. A picture of it is supposed to be on the AMCA homepage. Oh, and here's a '20 running.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWfBfxOfcE

[tgray]

Cory,

Thanks for the reply. I have already called and spoken to Rick that has the ad in the current issue and he has already sold it. I am about to view the link from youtube now.

Thanks again!

[c.o.]

Cory,

Thanks for the reply. I have already called and spoken to Rick that has the ad in the current issue and he has already sold it. I am about to view the link from youtube now.

Thanks again!

I guess that would have been too easy. I surfed around a little bit and found this one. This could be an old add for all I know. There's an e-mail link at the top of the page. It might be worth checking out. I don't know how far you want to go to get one (or how anxious you are), but like I said they do seem to show up now and then. I'll keep my eyes open.

http://members.chello.at/peter.bonito/parts.htm

[Ross]

Hey Rod. Any chance you could post that copy of Ted's article. I had it at one time and can't seem to locate it.

[Rod K]

Tom and Ross
It will take me a little time to figure how to post the article..It's 10 pages double sides
But I'll be happy to try..............Rod

[tgray]

Cory,

Thanks for the link and I do appreciate your willingness to continue to look for Cleveland articles for me.

Ross,

Thanks for asking for the article.

Rod,

I look forward to viewing the pages if you can get them uploaded. If you cannot upload them here, feel free to email them to me at: tgraytn@yahoo.com . If you send them as a PDF attachment, they may need to be sent in more than one email due to the file size.

Again, Thanks a lot for your help!

[tgray]

Cory,

The article in the Iron Works magazine is a great one! I really appreciate you recommending it!

[c.o.]

No problem Tom! I'm pretty sure though that there was an article in the club mag on the Cleveland that made it into the U.S. motorcycle stamp collection. Oh, and have you seen this?

http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_306.html

[tgray]

Cory,

I haven't seen this before. I just saved it to my collection. Again, Thanks!

Tom

[c.o.]

You betcha........... here's another random search..........


http://www.olsens.no/motorcykle/cleveland1.htm

[tgray]

NICE.... Thanks!

[Ken Lee]

Hello Tom , Rod and other Cleveland two stroke ?lovers? , was there any luck with the Ted Hodgdon article ? if there's any chance I'd like a copy too and any other literature on these little Clevelands , I just got a 1919 model and there's virtually no information on the internet apart from here , I have found a supplier who had one copy of the Iron Works and am waiting for it to arrive , is there any handbooks available ?? also the 'oil' tank is missing , does anyone have one that they do not need ? or can supply me with dimensions so I can copy , many thanks , Ken Lee

[Tommo]

I thought there be more info closer to home but apparrently not.
I have about 70 pages of Cleveland research that includes the following;

The Emmett Moore Cleveland history that appeared in Motorcycling April 2nd 1953

An article titled "The Story of Lightweights and Fours from Ohio" (I'm not sure who wrote it)

An article from Motor Cycle Illustrated April 27th 1916 "My First Ride on a Cleveland"

The Emmett Moore article headed "Cleveland Fours"

The Ted Hodgdon article

Two original operators manuals. One c1919-20 and one c1922-23

Plus numerous cuttings from period magazines.

If you guys are interested I can photocopy it for you and post it over. I've just sent some stuff to Herb Wagner and the postage on that cost close to $20 NZD so with photocopying etc we are looking at about $30 USD per set. What I would like is for those that want a set to register an interst here and I'll give it a week or so and then run off the required number.
Lets know what you think.

[Ken Lee]

Hello Tommo , thanks for the offer , I'd like to take it up , Ken Lee , England , how do we pay ?? Pay Pal ?? or ?

[Ken Lee]

How about some photo's on here of your Clevelands !!? as soon as mine arrives , I'll put some pictures here too , should be with me in about a week , keep the interest going , Ken

[bill campbell]

i have a friend that owns a 1919 clevland single and may be ready to sell,he's had it for 35 yrs and just got it rolling, get back to me and I'll find out what he wants thanks

[milw.pirates]

Hello guy's,
To add to your interest there is a 1915 for sale on,Craigslist,milwaukee.the bike was posted 6/22/09,with photo.
posting I.D. 1235036306
if anyone wants to see.

[Ross]

I believe that this Cleveland is not a 15 ,as it should not have a shift lever. The first year was run and jump on style with a shifter pedal.

[CHIEF]

ARN'T WE ALL THE LUCKY ONES !! I ALSO HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED A LOVELY LITTLE CLEAVLAND IF I AM NOT TOO CAREFUL WITH THE RUST REMOVAL I COULD END UP WITH SOME BRONZE GEARS AND ALUMINUM CASES!! I HAVE A COMPLETE FRAME , FENDERS ,REAR BRAKE ASSEMBLY ,HANDLEBARS INCLUDING A HEADLIGHT BUCKET AND MOUNT ,TAIL LIGHT , LUGGAGE RACK, CAST FOOT BOARDS ,SHIFTER AND BRAKE PEDALS , FRONT SUSPENSION , TWO CLINCHER RIMS AND 'A PARTRIDGE IN A PARE TREE' !! ALONG WITH A TRANSMISSION, MAGNETO, CRANKCASE , AND CYLINDER NOW IF I COULD JUST FIND A PISTON , RINGS ,CONNECTING ROD ,AND CRANK PIN I WOULD HAVE A CLEVELAND . ARE YOU GUYS EXPERIENCING SIMILAR PROBLEMS ? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YEAR IT IS [i think it could be a johnny cash special -one piece at a time] PERHAPS WE COULD SHARE PICTURES AND PRINTS OF WHAT ONE HAS THAT THE OTHERS DO NOT HAVE AND MAYBE GET THE THREE ORPHANS GOING.DOES ANY ONE KNOW HOW TO TELL WHAT YEAR A PARTICULAR BIKE IS ? I HAVE NOT FOUND A NUMBER ON THE FRAME YET[rust is too thick] ANY INPUT FROM ANY ONE IS APPRECIATED smartin@cogeco.ca

[flat-happy]

Anyone Have Just An Engine For A Cleveland Single For Sale?

[Ross]

Sorry no engine for sale but the serial number on a 15 and 16 will be on a smooth surface above where the magneto hangs upside down. If you have floorboards and not pegs it isn't one of the first couple of years. I restored my 15 in 1980 and basically have forgotten everything I once knew.

[CHIEF]

I Found Two Sets Of Numbers On My Unit On The Flat Spot A1624 The 'a' Looks Like It Was Made With A Chisel The Other Number Is On The Side Below The Gear Change Leaver 286g But The 'g' Is Upside Down Does Ross Or Anyone Know What The Numbers Refer To?

[Ken Lee]

and I thought I had a rare bike , it seems everyone's got one now !!! my Cleveland is now with me and the engine is in bits , quite a 'Chinese puzzle' but well made little thing , I am making new big end and have to make bearing retainer as mine isn't there but generally it's ok , as far as piston availability is concerned , I am going to get 'Baby Triumph' rings to fit my piston , these pistons are being manufactured by - http://www.veterantriumph.co.uk ,
and may fit Clevelands , the rings will , I think I may have to spend some time rubbing them on emery paper as I think they are slightly too wide but they will fit , pistons are the same shape and are 64mm diameter , slightly more than 2-1/2 inch of the Cleveland but the Cleveland barrel will take a re-bore unless you want to skim the piston down a little , I do not know the compression height so that would have to be checked but I bet it's the same . I also have a number G286G (the latter G is upside down) stamped on the case so perhaps this is a common number for a model year ??? my engine number is 15291 and is a 1919 , 1920 Clevelands have a slab sided tank with an under rail , plus foot-boards and a few other differences like size of gear change lever and brake lever , which are larger than earlier years . I know a friend with a 1920 who's engine number is in the 203++ area and also a 1919 in the 140++ number . I will try and put some pictures of mine on here too .
Oh yes CHIEF the centers on the con rod is 6-1/2 inches and 0.435 thick at the big end and 0.90 wide small end , which takes a wrist pin of 5/8ths so any 6-1/2 rod will probably do as long as it takes a roller bearing big end . Best of luck with your rebuilds , Ken
Pics to follow as I have to re-size them first PS CHIEF are you sure your engine number starts with an A not a 4 ??
PPS TOMMO - any chance with that research paperwork yet please . Ken

[Ken Lee]

Here are a couple of pics of my 1919

[Ken Lee]

here's an interesting one , self explanatory but thankfully the rest of the bike is in quite good nick , Ken

[Tommo]

Ken
I was waiting to see if anyone else wanted copies of it but as it appears they don't I'll get on to it and send it asap.
Anybody else interested please post a request in the next couple of days as I won't be happy if I have to do this more than once

[Ken Lee]

many thanks Tommo , I can wait a while if anyone else would like a copy too , all good wishes , Ken

[CHIEF]

Hey Ken The Pictures Of Your Cleveland Look Great!i Tried To Forward Pictures Of My Collection Of Parts To Help With The Discussion But They Were Rejected I Will Have To Try Another Method The Motor Number Is 'a' Not 'four' But I Only Have The Upside Down 'g' At The End No Letter At The Start. Can You Give Me The Distance Between The Front And Rear Motor Mount Holes On The Frame My Motor And Tranny Holes Are About Half A Hole Shorter Than My Frame Holes! Do You Have Any Dimensions Of The Crank Pin ? I Have A Drawing But Not Good Enough To Get Sizes From .the Crank Pin Appears To Have A Head On One End And A Taper On The Other . It Appears That The Bearing And Rod Are Placed On The Pin And Then Pressed Into The Flywheel ?? Right/wrong?? I Think That Is All For Now As Other Questions Arise May I Pester You And The Others In The Future?? I Don't Know What I Can Offer In Return But Try Me!! Fred [chief]

[CHIEF]

Cory
Hello From The East -ontario That Is-
Are You Still Playing With Cleveland Motorcycles?
I Have A Fine? Collection Of Parts That I Am Attempting To Assemble
The Only Thing I Know For Certain Is That It Is A Flat Tanker . It Has Valanced Fenders And Must Have Come With Electrics As There Is A Headlight Shell Mounted On A Permanent Bar Across The Handle Bars As With Yours The Tranny And Motor Came From Different Collections .two Of My Latest 'discoveries' Are The Fact That The Motor Mount Holes In The Frame Are Farther Apart Lengthwise Than The Mounting Holes In The Crankcase/tranny By About Half A Hole!! There Is Also A Manufactured Depression In The Rear Fender In Line With The End Of The Magneto!! Have You Come Across These Features In Your Collection ? And What Are They All Indicating ? After Reading Your Article I Am Leaning Toward A 1920-1924 Model Year Possibly Originally With Electrics . Any Assistance Will Be Appreciated . Chief [fred]

[Ken Lee]

Hello Fred , The distance between the mounting holes on my 1919 is 13-1/4 inches , you are mostly right about the crank pin , it is mushroom shaped or head on one end as you say but not a taper but a parallel shaft that is an interference fit in the flywheel , I will try and post a picture later with the dimensions on , I am still learning and am not an expert but we can all help each other and if I am wrong on anything please let me know , feel free to pester Fred !! The flat sided tanks had two top frame rails that the tank fitted between , best wishes , Ken

[CHIEF]

Hi Ken Finally Back To The Important Stuff Had To Take Some Time Off To Go For A Bike Ride For A Week And Then Pay My Dues By Taking The Wife Fishing .life Is Tough In Canada!!!!!!!!!!!! The Pictures Of The Crank Pin And Dimensions Are Great I Should Be Able To Build One At Home. Would You Mind Doing The Same For The Piston? I Have Checked Out The Triumph Site And The Piston Looks Similar To The Drawing I Have Of The Cleveland Piston. I Will Contact Triumph And See If They Will Give Me Some Dimensions Of Their Piston I Have Come Across A Book Titled 'the Illustrated Directory Of Classic American Motorcycles' By Tod Rafferty It States That 'the First Clevelands Were Built By The American Cycle Manufacturing Company Of Hartford Connecticut From 1902-1905 And Then Our Bikes Were Built By The Cleveland Motorcycle Manufacturinc Company In Ohio From 1915-1929 Eight Pages With Good Pics An Decent Info. On The Web Site 'motorbikes24' They Only Have The U.s.date 1915-1929 But Also Show Cleveland Motor Cycle Co 1911-1914 Of Middlesborough Gb I Checked With A Member Or The British Two Stroke Club And He Felt The End Of One Manufacturer In Britain And The Start Of Another In U.s.a.was Just A Coincidence If You Would Like I Will Attempt To Copy The Pages From The Book And Send Them To You I Think Thats All For Now Catch You Later Fred

[Ken Lee]

Hello Fred , I'm an idiot , yes the Triumph piston looks the same but there is one major draw back !!!!!!! the gudgeon pin is 90 degrees to the Cleveland one !! so that's a no go-er !! sorry to get your hopes up , didn't realise till I took pictures of mine then the penny dropped , sirry irriot !!!! I will post pics and measurements soon , I was hoping to have it up and running by now but other things get in the way , like riding my other bikes , I'm off to Holland tomorrow but will try and post pic before I go , I have to make piston rings for mine too that's why the piston isn't fitted , the bottom end is all done and ready . I have Tod Rafferty's book thanks for the offer of photo copies , I think the Cleveland companies were all separate , certainly the English one was . Life in Canada certainly sounds tough , can't be that tough though , my fiance lives in Toronto and I can't extricate her full time (perhaps it's me !!) good luck , Ken

[Ken Lee]

I have put three pics on , sorry I do not know how to put large ones on so just click on pic and it should give a larger size , let me know if you want any others , all the best , Ken

[Ken Lee]

Just confirming where I took the compression height from and too , Ken

[CHIEF]

Oooops!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Thing You Spotted That Minor Problem!! If You Have A Chance After Holland And Before Your Girlfriend Comes For A Visit Could You Take Enough Measurements For Me To Attempt To Build A Piston? It's Not Necessary To Put Them On A Picture As With The Others Just List Them With Some Description Of Location I Can Always Check With You If I Need A Further Explanation Thanks For All The Help Fred

[Ken Lee]

Hello Fred , hope these are ok , a bit bigger job to make a deflector piston but best of luck , I think I'd find a flat top ali one and build the top deflector up !!? I find it easier to say it with pictures , let me know if you need any other measurements , you could put a new thread on this site just specifically asking for a piston but check the bore size as they changed , later models were larger inch motors , not too sure when they changed but my piston is 2-1/2 inches diameter , best of luck , Ken

[Ken Lee]

For those interested in Two stroke Clevelands , there is one for sale in Missouri , see www.prewarcar.co.uk/show_prewar_car.asp?car_id=52898 , happy hunting , Ken

[CHIEF]

Thanks Ken
Pics And Dimensions Are Great I Found A Web Site That Tells How To Go About Creating A Piston I Am Toying With The Idea Of Buying A Junior Triumph Piston And Moving The Gudgeon Pin More Engineering To Do Good Luck On Your Project Fred

[Ken Lee]

HHMmmm , sounds like a fun project , that did cross my mind but as I'm lucky enough to have one I didn't give it too much thought , make sure the ring pegs are in the right place though and best of luck , keep us informed , Ken

[Tommo]

Fred,
I have a cast iron piston blank that fits the measurements that Ken has posted and the only thing missing is the deflector on top. If you made the deflector and welded it to the blank and then machined it to size you would have your piston.
Trying to relocate the gudgeon pin wouldn't be easy because of the internal gudgeon pin support bosses.
If you want the blank it's yours but it won't be cheap to post as it's quite heavy.
Pay the cost of postage and you've got a piston blank.

[Ken Lee]

Hello Fred , the offer from Tommo sounds a good way to go ! I have made piston rings for mine so will be putting it together very soon BUT before I do , would you like me to take a cast of the deflector , it'll only be in aluminium , for you to copy / get copied in cast iron ?? let me know fairly soon , otherwise it'll be running !! after I've rebuilt the wheels and tweaked the front forks !etc etc although probably any deflector piston of 2-1/2" diameter will probably be the same , depends if you can find one at an auto jumble , Ken

[Tommo]

Ken and Fred,
With the Cleveland having a fore and aft crank and a forward facing exhaust with the gudgeon pin running fore and aft (at right angles to the deflector) you will find that most if not all pistons you find at swap meets will have the gudgeon pin that faces east-west (parallel to the deflector) and modifying them will really pose some problems.
There may be other makes that used the Cleveland set up but none come to mind.
I think that unless you get lucky and find an original you will either have to make patterns and cast your own piston or as Ken and I have suggested modify and then machine the piston blank I have.
Your choice.

[Ken Lee]

Fred/Tommo , yes agree with Tommo but I should confirm what I was trying to say and that is that any deflector topped piston of about 2-1/2 inches diameter should have the same deflector shape as the Cleveland and could be used as either a pattern to cast another or just cut the top off and weld that on . I didn't mean any piston with deflector would do for the Cleveland , sorry if I gave the wrong impression but it was late when I wrote , Ken

[CHIEF]

Ken And Tommo Yesyesyes Boy Am I Glad I Woke Up This Morning !!!! Looks Like A Plan Is Coming Together From All Points Of The Compass Ken Please Make The Casting ,and Could I Also Beg Another Favor? Would You Buy A Set Of Rings From Veteran Triumph And Mail Them With The Deflector ? That Should Cut Shipping Costs Greatly.get Your Estimated Costs Together For The Rings And The Casting Before Spending Your Money And I Will Get The Money To You Tommo Could You Get An Approximate Cost Of The Shipping Of The Piston Casting By Air And Sea To Niagara Falls Canada Approximate Length Of Time By Sea I Will Pay Both Of You In Advance Are You Set Up With Pay Pal Or Will I Need To Work Out Another Method Of Payment ? Let Me Know Fred

[Ken Lee]

Fred , I will do that BUT check with Tommo for piston ring sizes first as they may differ from the 'Triumph' ones ! I am away on a rally from this evening (Friday) and won't be back till Tuesday so cannot do anything till next week , have a good weekend , Ken

[Tommo]

Ken and Fred,
The piston is a blank so there are no ring grooves and no gudgeon pin hole so you can make the ring grooves to suit whatever rings you have. That goes for the locating pins as well. Same goes for the gudgeon pin.
The blank has a small tower that sticks up from the piston crown in the centre of the crown and is there so you can put a centre hole into it so all further machining is kept true and accurate via a live centre in your lathe tailstock.
Once all machining is done you normally just machine this tower off but in your case Fred it may be useful in locating the deflector you are going to weld onto the top.
Fred I do have two of these blanks, do you want both of them just in case something goes wrong during machining or if you strike any porosity holes in the casting during machining.
Let me know and I'll get prices for both options

[Tommo]

Fred
Could you please e-mail me direct. p.j.thomson@actrix.co.nz

[Ken Lee]

Fred , I have the casting ready to send , let me have your address on here or on my email and I'll send it , what are you doing about rings ?? as the blank that Tommo can let you have need the ring grooves machined , it's probably best if you get more modern thinner rings so I'll leave the Triumph ones unless you especially want them but they charge me £10 for delivery , rings are £20 and from me to you will probably be another £5 so it'll be much cheaper for you if you get local ones to suit 2-1/2 inch bore , anyway best of luck , my engine rebuild is nearly finished , I picked up the magneto on Monday , the top end is on but have to check the kick start return spring and clutch , then have cycle parts to attack !! No charge for the casting , it was a good exercise !! Hope it works out OK !

[CHIEF]

Ken Sorry for the delay techno problems at my end. Did you get your rings from the Triumph shop? Are they the wide ones probably a cast metal of some sort
I would prefer something period of that sort .I think they would work better with the older cylinder . You can contact me at smartin59@cogeco.ca. Thanks Fred

[cabanadan]

Going to pick up that 1924 that was for sale in the Prewarcars website from Missouri I just bought... Looking for any info I can find on this bike... Production numbers, service manuals ect..... Dan

[c.o.]

There's some Cleveland info you can get right away here........ http://www.vintagemotorcyclelibrary.com/library/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=35&zenid=f9b1aa5e0b6b1a0c9dc3aba8b84e8ee8

[Ken Lee]

Congratulations Dan , nice bike , hope you enjoy riding it , there's also another for sale in Sweden see -
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Classifieds/listing/3500/Cleveland_1919.html
a 1919 , same as mine , which is taking longer to put on the road than I hoped , I am getting a cast iron piston made , everything else is done and ready to roll , I'll let you know when it's out an about !! happy riding , Ken

[cabanadan]

Just got home with the bike... Looks like it would start without much problems... Will go through it with a fine tooth comb before I attempt it....

[cabanadan]

Looking for a little help on what oil to use... Says Gargoil "B" Autozone doesn't sell it!!!! How to tell if my 24 is actually a 24 as far as engine numbers go? Anybody have or sell sparkplugs for them? Repop ect... Thanks in advance, Dan

[Ken Lee]

Hello Dan , I have been looking at oils to put in my engine , especially for the worm drive , I have settled on a synthetic , see -- web site --
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/article_detail.asp?articleid=169 --
as far as oil to mix with the petrol then a modern synthetic would also be ok OR any reputable two stroke oil , the handbook says 10 to 1 mix which sounds an awful lot but maybe best to try this mix first and IF too much smoking then you can cut it down . I have heard that when using synthetic oil , the amount can be cut right down but best start at said amount of 10 to 1 and go from there , a friend of mine runs a 1922 Ner-a-Car on 10 to 1 and it hardly smokes and doesn't fowl plugs .
For dating I do not know as far as engine numbers go but my 1919 engine has number 15291.I attach (with luck?) part of article on Cleveland dating from an Antique Automobile mag of unknown date , hope this helps , best wishes with your Cleveland , keep us informed of progress . Still waiting for my piston !!! Ken

[Ken Lee]

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt69/kenanlin/DC008.jpg

[Rod K]

cabanadan, I sent you a PM....Rod

[keir hellberg]

Just got home with the bike... Looks like it would start without much problems... Will go through it with a fine tooth comb before I attempt it....

If your bike doesnt have fenders i can help,it would appear that the fenders i bought last year for my ACE are in fact Cleveland.THe are surplus to recquirements.If you or someone else needs them please contact me.
Keir Hellberg

[Ken Lee]

CHIEFY -- FRED , I am trying to contact you via your email but keep getting them returned - undelivered - just want to say my piston is being posted to me on Tuesday next (December the 8th) so hopefully I'll have mine running before Christmas !! I did also send you a 'private message' on here , Ken

[Ken Lee]

Weyhey !!!!!!! been out today on my 1919 Cleveland , what a lovely little lightweight it is !!! first impression is slow !!!! second is slower !!!! but sure I'll get it running better and properly as time goes on , after all , this is my first lightweight bike for a few years , so used to big 'yankee' bikes !!! has anyone else been out on theirs yet ???? best wishes and happy riding for
2010 , Ken

[cabanadan]

Anybody out ther kno production numbers of Clevelands? Read somewhere 5000ish units. Dont know if that was total or yearly.

[Ken Lee]

Here's a couple of pics of my 1919 Cleveland , I have done just over 90 miles on it so far
and reached the heady speed of 29mph !!!! but it's great and can be thrown around , handles like a little lightweight , nearly stops too !!!!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6fq-xZ_IQSA/S6Nay8747PI/AAAAAAAACEg/qHA_I2SAv88/s640/Cleveland160310%20008.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_6fq-xZ_IQSA/S6NawuKO38I/AAAAAAAACEU/NH_V8PPhfoY/s640/Cleveland160310%20003.JPG

[Ken Lee]

Been out today on my 1919 , managed 61 smiles (yes that's 'smile miles') ran great , smashing little bike , pics show bikes at rest while we ate apples from bike rests !! my coleagues were 1923 Ner-a Car and 1922 Francis Barnet . Anyone else been out riding theirs lately ???? How are the rebuilds getting on ? best wishes , Ken

[c.o.]

Thanks for sharing the pics of todays ride Ken!! I'm sure the smiles were plentiful. Out of the group, I've only ridden a Neracar. It was an interesting ride to say the least!!

[Ken Lee]

Hello Cory , thanks for that , I've had two Ner-a-Cars , one a two stroke the other a 21 inch OHV Oil cooled Badshaw engined one , I liked the OHV one , very impressed with the Bradshaw engine , could do 60mph and cruise happily at 45mph and return 85 MPG BUT as you say , very interesting ride especially at slow speeds , once going , they handled great though . Ken

[LouieMCman]

Good thing those trees were there to prop your bikes up!

[Ken Lee]

Yes Louie , very convenient , although a bit heavy handed proping the bikes , knocked some apples down so we had to "hide" the evidence , rather yummy !!!

[pisten-bully]

This looks to be a Cleveland, I wasn't certain until I started reading this thread.7539

[Ken Lee]

Now that looks a sweet ride , so does the bike !!!! pondering the small round tank on top of the petrol tank makes methink it's a battery box for battery lighting as there are wires coming from it and the "headlight" !!? looks electric . Cannot see much of the bike but looks as though it has a decompressor atop and front of the cylinder which would make it 1917 or 18 , love the 'crash hat' , nice pic , thanks , Ken