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tgray
02-12-2008, 12:55 AM
I have been using KREEM products for quite some time now. I HIGHLY recommend the fine folks at www.kreemproducts.net

They have a GREAT combo pack at a fantastic price as well as a "How To Video" on their home page.

Kudo's to Kreem...http://www.kreemproducts.net KREEM (http://www.kreemproducts.net)

INLINE4NUT
02-24-2008, 08:51 AM
Well I wish i could say the same ! All Ive seen of their product is heartbreak! When it curls up like bad milk and clogs everything! Never would use it never will! Sorry but thats the way I feel about the product!

Chuck#1848
02-24-2008, 11:11 AM
I am looking into purchasing new tanks for a VL that I am working on .

I have used Kreem in the past with great results....and ........as Inline4 said also ended up with the curdled milk sindrome so...........

That Being said what would be a good choice that others have used for that application considering that the VL tanks are soldered I am not sure of any type of chemical reaction with any kind of tank sealer.

All coments welcome

Chuck#1848
02-24-2008, 11:11 AM
I am looking into purchasing new tanks for a VL that I am working on .

I have used Kreem in the past with great results....and ........as Inline4 said also ended up with the curdled milk sindrome so...........

That Being said what would be a good choice that others have used for that application considering that the VL tanks are soldered I am not sure of any type of chemical reaction with any kind of tank sealer.

All coments welcome

darrylri
02-24-2008, 04:34 PM
I've used POR-15 on a tank for a '50s BMW with no problems at all.

Chuck#1848
02-24-2008, 04:44 PM
Thanks for your input Darrylri

I have only used kreem with mostly good results but I figure it doesn't hurt to seek information from others and what they do or don't use and why.

Kojack
02-24-2008, 05:22 PM
I used Kreem in an old Sportster tand that wasn't leaking, I just wanted some rust protection. I used it according to directions and waited over a week before I used it. I put about a gallon of gas in it and after 6 months the Kreem was lifting. It looks like the additives they're putting in modern gas doesn't agree with it. Some guys think that if they keep their tanks full they won't have problems with rust but I'm not too sure about that. You can never get a tank 100% full. Harley has been using some kind of coating inside their tanks since at least the mid seventies but I don't know what it is. The Sportster tank had it though and it had deteriorated also but it did hold up for 25 years. Chuck, find out what your VL tanks will be made of. If they use terne plate you won't need to worry about rust. Terne plate is a lead/tin coating that is often used for steel gas tanks that are soldered together. It's almost like a pre-tinned steel that solders very easily. A terne coating should last a long time without any protection. I bought a new set of welded Indian tanks from Matt Blake. He reccomends coating the inside with the sealer that POR-15 sells. I've heard that's a good one but I'm going to try sealer that Caswell sells, it's a two part epoxy product. The way my project is moving it may be a while before I can report on the results.

Robert Luland
02-24-2008, 07:17 PM
I've also had my share of crap with Kreem but I also found out it was my own fault. If you do not leave the prep in long enough to clean it all out. It's going to lift. I now throw in a half a pint of nuts and agitate for an half an hour and then let it sit over night. Since I started the cleaning regiment I haven't had a lifting problem in tweanty years. It's a good product just got it's cork like anything else. Bob

INLINE4NUT
02-24-2008, 08:09 PM
I now coat my tanks with nothing and have not had a problem!! Lets think about this, in the 30s and 40s and 50s and maybe the 60s and 70s where they coated from the factory???? So for better than 50+ years we didnt need coating ?why all of a sudden do we now???Ill spend my money on spare NOS parts,you guys want to buy some SNAKEOIL????? :)

Kojack
02-24-2008, 10:26 PM
I now coat my tanks with nothing and have not had a problem!! Lets think about this, in the 30s and 40s and 50s and maybe the 60s and 70s where they coated from the factory???? So for better than 50+ years we didnt need coating ?why all of a sudden do we now???Ill spend my money on spare NOS parts,you guys want to buy some SNAKEOIL????? :)


You're a lucky man, I've seen truckloads of rusty old gas tanks. Indian tanks were made from terne plate so yes, they were coated, with tin/lead. Auto gas tanks were also made from terne plate. It doesn't always last forever but it's much better than bare steel. Harley has been coating their tanks for well over 30 years now. It's nothing new but it can also break down. Matt Blake makes his tanks from bare steel and recommends they be coated. I'm not going to argue with the guy who makes the tanks. Maybe, though, there's just no such thing as a truly permanent coating.

Chuck#1848
02-25-2008, 12:23 PM
You're a lucky man, I've seen truckloads of rusty old gas tanks. Indian tanks were made from terne plate so yes, they were coated, with tin/lead. Auto gas tanks were also made from terne plate. It doesn't always last forever but it's much better than bare steel. Harley has been coating their tanks for well over 30 years now. It's nothing new but it can also break down. Matt Blake makes his tanks from bare steel and recommends they be coated. I'm not going to argue with the guy who makes the tanks. Maybe, though, there's just no such thing as a truly permanent coating.

Kojack,

Is Matt Blake the guy that makes the VL tanks?
If not does anybody know who does and what there made of?

Inline....what brand of snake oil do you use? :)

Kojack
02-25-2008, 05:39 PM
Kojack,

Is Matt Blake the guy that makes the VL tanks?
If not does anybody know who does and what there made of?

Matt Blake is "Iron Horse Corral Indian Parts". http://www.theironhorsecorral.com/
I don't think he makes any Harley Parts. Unlike original Indian tanks his are welded together which is why he doesn't use terne plate. Welding would destroy the coating. I don't know who makes the VL tanks but I see that "VL Heaven" sells them.

exeric
02-27-2008, 08:50 AM
I have used a product called "RED COAT" with great success. It's hard to find but a search on the internet will bring up their web site, lots of good information. I've had it in my '40 Chief tanks for about 7 years with no leaks or paint bubbles and these were really nasty tanks with lots of solder repairs.

portagepan
02-27-2008, 12:05 PM
I think the red coat is a two part epoxy. My painter used it on my 65, and it is holding up fine. He used the same on a friend's 52, and after a while it just peeled off. It still seems that prep work is very important. But now that I have read the replyies on this, I must wonder, too, why even coat it? If it isn't rusted, and one does proper maintenance, why bother? I mean, is there a real world reason for the coatings now? Is it just so traditional that we don't even know why? Need an expert here.
Mike

exeric
02-27-2008, 04:23 PM
Red Coat is a single stage product, no catalyst. The bikes I mess with all need tank coatings. I personally, have never had a soldered Indian, H-D, Henderson, Flying Merkel, or Excelsior tank that didn't leak without being treated. Harley Davidson tanks from '36 on are the only tanks I've had that are worry and leak free.

Ohio-Rider
02-28-2008, 09:40 AM
For me the red coat has worked best, but not fail proof as you can see from the bad picture. These where new after market tanks when I put the red coat in them.

The product seems to be peeling away from the metal. It like a time bomb just waiting to give me trouble. I'll never use any sealer again on any tanks unless I have to. -Steve

Chuck#1848
02-28-2008, 02:21 PM
So new VL repo tanks that have been soldered and tested may be ok NOT to seal the inside?

Kojack
02-28-2008, 05:45 PM
Chuck, with the performance records of all the sealers out there I'd have to say that I would NOT depend on any of them to seal leaks, at least not for very long. I've had Kreem fail (and by the way, I followed the directions) as have many others. I have a can of Red Kote but I've heard of enough failures that I'm not even going to try it. I'm going to try Caswell next, but not for sealing leaks. Matt Blake tests all his tanks for leaks, he recommends a sealer only for rust protection. I've only heard one report of a failure on the Caswell coating and I'm not certain that person followed the directions. IF your new VL tanks are made from terne plate I wouldn't worry about corrosion. Solder and terne coatings don't rust. If they leak, it's going to be caused by a bad soldering job and you'd do much better to simply re-solder the seam. By the way, I feel that soldering as the only acceptable repair on any tank, unless you want to weld it. If your new tanks are made from plain un-coated steel, well, you'll have to decide if a coating is worth the potential problems that a failure will cause. They can make a real mess. Lots of people think that their uncoated tanks will be fine if they keep them full of gas. Maybe so. I know that you can't keep a tank 100% full. I also know that when I run my finger around the underside of the filler neck on uncoated tanks I often find rust.